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Old 12-01-2006, 03:26 PM   #46
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Bullshit you are joking when you pull the female crap. You use those statements to put me down (knowing Iím female) and insult me because you can't come up with a more intelligent response. As for getting WAY too emotional when the bickering ensues, I'm NOT the only one dear. And in that way, we men and women are alike on the Warpath!
Why are you boiling it down to men and women, I hate people who can't take a joke on this site regardless if they are guys or girls. You just have this image in your mind that every guy on this site is out there to get you, when in reality they are not.

It is like you think you deserve special treatment bc you are female, and we(members of this forum) can't counter your points, because you get really upset and flip out. Very similar to SBF, I love the dude to death, but he takes things way too seriously.

Either way I know I am not changing your mind, so it doesn't matter. I would continue to prove my point, but it will only upset you more and the Mods. So I am done.
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Old 12-01-2006, 03:32 PM   #47
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Re: Jason Campbell vs. Vick

Go create your own sexism thread, let's talk football
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Re: Jason Campbell vs. Vick

On Duckett:

Duckett was a QB in high school and moved to RB at MSU as many know. He came into the league back in '02 with a lot of Bettis comparisons. He had great upside. Unfortunately for him he was picked by the Falcons who had just signed Dunn. Dunn was not a good fit for Reeves offense, but was still a darn good RB, and while Duckett was learning the ropes, he managed to play well enough so that the Falcons couldn't justify benching Dunn.

Then Reeves got fired and the Falcons brought in Greg KNapp & Alex Gibbs, and Duckett is the antithesis of the back that fits in the zone-blocking scheme. He lacks great acceleration. He's a guy that is a good downhill runner, but his vision is only OK, and it takes him forever to get up to speed. But Duckett did manage to improve as a runner during his first 1.5 years under Gibbs, but he totally stunk at the end of 2005. Thus why the Falcons were looking to deal him while they could.

I think Duckett could be a lead back in the NFL, but only for a team like Pittsburgh. He'll never be as good as Bettis, but he coudl be a productive player for a team that loves the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" type runners. Pittsburgh, Carolina, Jacksonville, are 3 teams that like those types of runners. The problem is Duckett is particularly one-dimensional, so unless he went to a team that had that perfect niche for him where all he would have to do is get the tough yards inside, then he's not going to work. His blocking has improved since his rookie year (then he was terrible), but he's only considered mildly competent at blitz pickup. His hands are adequate, but probably in a given year as a starter, he'd only be reliable enough to catch 15-20 passes.

Essentially, he'd be a backup on probably all but a few NFL teams. But he's a competent backup, that is a great complement to a speedy back. Which was evident in Atlanta when it was him and Dunn back in '04.

As for the Vick-Schaub QB controversy:

It's not as big as you may think. There has always been a small vocal minority that have wanted Schaub as the starter ever since he joined the team back in 2004. That minority has grown louder this year, but the vast number of Falcon fans still want to see Vick in there. I'm in that camp too. I am curious to see what Schaub can do, I don't have any notions of him being an improvement to Vick, at least immediately.

The Falcons will have the option of trading him after the season. If they do, then hopefully the Falcons get a high draft pick (#2?) and use it on a good player, perhaps an OL or WR. If not, then it might mean the Falcons are less confident in Vick than it would appear. Schaub has been an insurance policy for his entire tenure in Atlanta, and if he is a Falcon again in 2007, it means the team is a few steps closer to cashing that policy in.

But I don't htink anybody is going to see Schaub this year until 1 or 2 things happen:

1) Vick is hurt
2) The Falcons are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. From my perspective, it would probably take another 2 losses for that to happen.
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Dude, go back to school. I am NOT asking for special treatment and never have. Up until this year none of you ever knew I was a woman, and I never got any back handed female insult until you did find out!! Stop throwing sexists statements around and we won't have these arguments.
"Dude go back to school"-See right there you are doing what you claim everyone is doing to you. You are getting really emotional and countering with an arguement that does not even make sense. You are proving my points for me.

Stop sweating that you are a woman, just stop doing it lol. Just don't mention it, and don't flip out if someone else does. I promise everything that you "think" is sexist will all go away, plus it will be easier on the mind if you do that.
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On Duckett:

Duckett was a QB in high school and moved to RB at MSU as many know. He came into the league back in '02 with a lot of Bettis comparisons. He had great upside. Unfortunately for him he was picked by the Falcons who had just signed Dunn. Dunn was not a good fit for Reeves offense, but was still a darn good RB, and while Duckett was learning the ropes, he managed to play well enough so that the Falcons couldn't justify benching Dunn.

Then Reeves got fired and the Falcons brought in Greg KNapp & Alex Gibbs, and Duckett is the antithesis of the back that fits in the zone-blocking scheme. He lacks great acceleration. He's a guy that is a good downhill runner, but his vision is only OK, and it takes him forever to get up to speed. But Duckett did manage to improve as a runner during his first 1.5 years under Gibbs, but he totally stunk at the end of 2005. Thus why the Falcons were looking to deal him while they could.

I think Duckett could be a lead back in the NFL, but only for a team like Pittsburgh. He'll never be as good as Bettis, but he coudl be a productive player for a team that loves the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" type runners. Pittsburgh, Carolina, Jacksonville, are 3 teams that like those types of runners. The problem is Duckett is particularly one-dimensional, so unless he went to a team that had that perfect niche for him where all he would have to do is get the tough yards inside, then he's not going to work. His blocking has improved since his rookie year (then he was terrible), but he's only considered mildly competent at blitz pickup. His hands are adequate, but probably in a given year as a starter, he'd only be reliable enough to catch 15-20 passes.

Essentially, he'd be a backup on probably all but a few NFL teams. But he's a competent backup, that is a great complement to a speedy back. Which was evident in Atlanta when it was him and Dunn back in '04.

As for the Vick-Schaub QB controversy:

It's not as big as you may think. There has always been a small vocal minority that have wanted Schaub as the starter ever since he joined the team back in 2004. That minority has grown louder this year, but the vast number of Falcon fans still want to see Vick in there. I'm in that camp too. I am curious to see what Schaub can do, I don't have any notions of him being an improvement to Vick, at least immediately.

The Falcons will have the option of trading him after the season. If they do, then hopefully the Falcons get a high draft pick (#2?) and use it on a good player, perhaps an OL or WR. If not, then it might mean the Falcons are less confident in Vick than it would appear. Schaub has been an insurance policy for his entire tenure in Atlanta, and if he is a Falcon again in 2007, it means the team is a few steps closer to cashing that policy in.

But I don't htink anybody is going to see Schaub this year until 1 or 2 things happen:

1) Vick is hurt
2) The Falcons are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. From my perspective, it would probably take another 2 losses for that to happen.
Are you sure your post isn't about the rising problem of sexism on internet forums? lol

And about Duckett, thanks for the info that was a nice read. I agree that is basically a really solid backup, a good bruising back if you will.

As for Schaub, the kid is a beast, use to play for Virginia, my school. I have seen alot of film on him, and he is a very accurate pocket passer, who is a great backup, that has the potential of being a starter, but not at the ATL. I think Vick is still your best bet, and I doubt you will see him this year, or ever unless Vick is hurt. Bc if you change a big name player like Vick, it means he is 2nd string automatically.
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Old 12-01-2006, 03:39 PM   #51
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Welcome to the board Pudge.
same here welcome pudge i like campbell just needs more time.
it should be a great game..
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Old 12-01-2006, 03:42 PM   #52
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For the love of God!!! I'm not doing ANYTHING different from anyone else Ė EXCEPT Iím not using racial or sexist slurs!!!!!!!

I really want to tell you to read more, but then I might hurt your feelings again and we'll just continue......
Again another cheap shot, that is not even close to being a valid point.
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lol "kids"...you are hilarious. Keep it up.
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So Pudge, do you honestly think your team would bench Vick? Ever? I just do not think it would ever happen. I think you guys are gonna have Vick starting until he gets old or hurt.
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I just feel that Vick is a QB who needs to drop back 40+ times a game to really make an impact with both his running and passing. If a game is called that way, then the running backs simply don't have the kind of outcome on a game they need to make THAT offense successful. I'm starting to feel that there are better fits for him than Atlanta. One that comes to mind would be Oakland. A team that has no running game, a good, borderline great defense, and an offensive line that consistently has pressure gaffes.

I believe that an offense will never be great with Vick, but he could take a horrible offense and make it decent no matter who is around him.
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I just feel that Vick is a QB who needs to drop back 40+ times a game to really make an impact with both his running and passing. If a game is called that way, then the running backs simply don't have the kind of outcome on a game they need to make THAT offense successful. I'm starting to feel that there are better fits for him than Atlanta. One that comes to mind would be Oakland. A team that has no running game, a good, borderline great defense, and an offensive line that consistently has pressure gaffes.

I believe that an offense will never be great with Vick, but he could take a horrible offense and make it decent no matter who is around him.
Do you ever see Vick getting a ring? I personally don't because of what you have just mentioned.
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you hit it right on the head matty.just another great day on the warpath.

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