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Old 11-30-2006, 07:21 PM   #46
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If Brunell retires are there any cap implications such as dead money to worry about?

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Old 11-30-2006, 08:26 PM   #47
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If Brunell retires are there any cap implications such as dead money to worry about?
it's the same as if he were cut... which would mean 2.3mill more in cap space next year (vs staying on the roster).

he's still a decent backup, but it's tempting to let him go and use the money elsewhere, since he's vastly overpaid (as a backup).
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Re: Brunell Back in 2007?

Since they will barely save anything on the cap, they should keep him. I would say that he might be the most dangerous backup in the league if he stays and gets healthy. He is a different guy when healthy. I think the groin injury in pre-season derailed everything for him.

It was no coincidence that his best weeks came when he had long rests.
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I could definitely see him playing elsewhere with no problem. Look around the league right now - heck the NFC. It's hard to find a hand full of QBs having solid seasons.

My point is, Brunell is more than serviceable and, honestly, I think he could could challenge for a starting role somewhere.
Are you frickin kidding me?????????? In 04 he was awful. 05 he had 1/2 a good season. This year? Nothing more needs to be said. So basically in his three years here he had 1/2 a good season. Anyone can throw screens and checkdown passes. Where a QB makes his money in the NFL is converting on 3rd down, and throwing the ball downfield. No team is going to have a 37 year unproductive QB starting that can't push the ball down the field. 2nd or 3rd string maybe.
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Chad Pennington might be one good lick from making that happen, you never know.
Jets invested a high draft pick on a QB who has off the charts talent.
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Re: Brunell Back in 2007?

Even when we went on our winning streak last season, no one gave Brunell any credit (in the media), so I doubt he could get signed next season and compete for starting role.

Also, it seems like this season has started a new trend with starting young QB's early. I would really like to know what the average age is for starting QB's in the league right now. I can bet its not more 27 or 28.
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Since they will barely save anything on the cap, they should keep him. I would say that he might be the most dangerous backup in the league if he stays and gets healthy. He is a different guy when healthy. I think the groin injury in pre-season derailed everything for him.

It was no coincidence that his best weeks came when he had long rests.
2.3mill is a far cry from barely anything. that's real close to what lloyd, or el, or carter, or arch will make their first year, and obviously those were high priced signings.
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Are you frickin kidding me?????????? In 04 he was awful. 05 he had 1/2 a good season. This year? Nothing more needs to be said. So basically in his three years here he had 1/2 a good season. Anyone can throw screens and checkdown passes. Where a QB makes his money in the NFL is converting on 3rd down, and throwing the ball downfield. No team is going to have a 37 year unproductive QB starting that can't push the ball down the field. 2nd or 3rd string maybe.
Question for you. All future considerations aside, has our offense this year been better overall under Brunell, or under Campbell thus far?

(Hint: there is a correct answer to this question)

I'm not sure what the criteria for having a good season is, but depending on how you grade QBs, there are good arguements for both '05 and '06 in terms of which season Brunell played better in.

I have no problem with the conclusion you have arrived at, but when you say stuff like "nothing more needs to be said" as your evidence, then you are begging to be double checked. Your methods of reason seem suspect.
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2.3mill is a far cry from barely anything. that's real close to what lloyd, or el, or carter, or arch will make their first year, and obviously those were high priced signings.
Yeah, but I also think with only one day 1 draft pick and with the team unexpected to make a big free agency splash after indulging last year, we really don't need that cap space for anything. I think Brunell would be the ideal backup for us, and although I am not from the school of thought that says you need a decent backup QB to make a Championshup run, I think we would be accepting a downgrade by cutting him loose for cap room.
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it's the same as if he were cut... which would mean 2.3mill more in cap space next year (vs staying on the roster).

he's still a decent backup, but it's tempting to let him go and use the money elsewhere, since he's vastly overpaid (as a backup).
The player stays on the roster (retired reserve list) for the duration of the deal, right? You get the reprieve of his base salary and don't have to pay him any bonuses. I know when a player volentarily retires, he has to give back the portion of his signing bonus that he did not earn, so does this not count as cap relief?

When the Raiders wanted Deion for their '02 playoff run, we cut him then and I think at that point we incurred his remaining cap hit (or lack thereof).
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Even when we went on our winning streak last season, no one gave Brunell any credit (in the media), so I doubt he could get signed next season and compete for starting role.

Also, it seems like this season has started a new trend with starting young QB's early. I would really like to know what the average age is for starting QB's in the league right now. I can bet its not more 27 or 28.
as of 12/31/2006: (palmer, rivers, and campbell have birthdays in december)

22 (alex smith)
23, 23, 23, 23
24
25, 25, 25, 25, 25
26, 26, 26
27, 27, 27
28, 28
29, 29
30, 30, 30
31, 31
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36, 36
37 (jeff garcia)
38 (brad johnson)

average age = 902/32 = 28.1875 years old... median is 27.
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Yeah, but I also think with only one day 1 draft pick and with the team unexpected to make a big free agency splash after indulging last year, we really don't need that cap space for anything. I think Brunell would be the ideal backup for us, and although I am not from the school of thought that says you need a decent backup QB to make a Championshup run, I think we would be accepting a downgrade by cutting him loose for cap room.
clements? that'd be an overall roster upgrade, and push more talent into the starting 22, which brunell wouldn't contribute to unless an injury occured, and
at that point, the risk/reward of possibly having him give you nothing still makes a good arguement for cutting him.
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The player stays on the roster (retired reserve list) for the duration of the deal, right? You get the reprieve of his base salary and don't have to pay him any bonuses. I know when a player volentarily retires, he has to give back the portion of his signing bonus that he did not earn, so does this not count as cap relief?

When the Raiders wanted Deion for their '02 playoff run, we cut him then and I think at that point we incurred his remaining cap hit (or lack thereof).
the main uses of the retired-reserve list tend to be:

A) for a player signing a deal to retire with his old team (ie, webb signing to retire as a dolphin after spending a couple years in cinncy, or brian mitchell signing a one day deal to retire as a skin).

B) a player signs a five year deal and retires after the first year... two years later, he gets re-instated and goes on the retired-reserve list of whichever team has his rights until they decide what to do (place on the roster or release them).

i believe gauranteed money is gauranteed money. a lot of times retiring players have given signing bonuses back or redone contracts immediately before calling it quits (gannon, meadows, etc (even deion gave money back)). with lavargate and the new stricter rules on recovering gaurantees, i'm not sure how easy it'd be to return money now.
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I see brunell retiring at seasons end.
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Question for you. All future considerations aside, has our offense this year been better overall under Brunell, or under Campbell thus far?

(Hint: there is a correct answer to this question)

I'm not sure what the criteria for having a good season is, but depending on how you grade QBs, there are good arguements for both '05 and '06 in terms of which season Brunell played better in.

I have no problem with the conclusion you have arrived at, but when you say stuff like "nothing more needs to be said" as your evidence, then you are begging to be double checked. Your methods of reason seem suspect.

Bottom line. Brunell does not have the ability anymore to lead a team to the Super Bowl. Defenses do not respect his arm and why should they? Does anyone remember the last 6-8 games last year? If a veteran QB has a problem throwing for 170 yards a game then somehting is seriously wrong. He should have been benched coming into this year just like John Kitna was. Do you happen to remember that 2 number one picks are invested in JC? Keeping him on the bench serves no purpose. JC is going to have his lumps just like every young QB does. The future is JC not a 36 year old QB on a losing team. At this point Brunell is 3rd string material.
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