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Old 12-01-2006, 05:21 PM   #46
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also, we only have a 1, 5, 6, 7 this year, so how are we going to draft all those guys? and why bother with podesh when Sepulveda is available in the 5th and brandon fields might be undrafted?

crosby is going in the 2nd and wilson probably goes in the 3rd, they're both the types that raise as the draft gets closer. why get lamar when we might have a shot at a guy like gaines? woodley's probably a better fit for a 3-4, which we haven't really used. otherwise you've got a small (weight and height) DE without great speed, or a big LB without good speed.

daniels is 33 and wynn is 32, so i don't know where you did your research on that. you also don't give contract's to guys still on rookie deals generally. cooley's not going to be worth much more next year than he is this year, so that's just throwing away cap space for no reason. no to mention it'd be impossible to take archuleta's hit then go around and overpay ANOTHER safety. did you even run the numbers before putting that post up? how do you hand out that many big contracts, resign our players, and take arch's cap hit and stay under? you do NOT pay you're #2 TE 3mill per unless he's superman.

you can't trade down like that (when's the last time a single team has traded down 4 times in one round), not to mention denver has the option to force a trade down if we're too close. oh yeah, woodley is going closer to the 15th overall pick than the 30th, so you'd need to pick another player there too.
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redskins dont have the cash to pay clements, if you pay him 55 mill
then forgeet about signing the first round pick , dockery is lost, betts and duckett, and no other free agents sign.
Okay, if your are going to make claims like these you really should break down the numbers if you want to be taken seriously:

- Where you getting the 55M number on Clements AND how are you asserting the contract will be structured?

- IF you are seriously suggesting that Gibbs & Co. are incapable of restructuring existing contracts and new contracts in a manner that would enable them to sign clements, a first round pick, dockery and (betts or duckett), THEN please tell me what you expect each to demand in a signing bonus and tell me why Brunnell, Wynn, Samuels, Jansen and/or a host of other existing contracts can't be restructured or terminated to accomodate these bonuses. Otherwise you are really just talking out your ass.
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also, we only have a 1, 5, 6, 7 this year, so how are we going to draft all those guys? and why bother with podesh when Sepulveda is available in the 5th and brandon fields might be undrafted?

crosby is going in the 2nd and wilson probably goes in the 3rd, they're both the types that raise as the draft gets closer. why get lamar when we might have a shot at a guy like gaines? woodley's probably a better fit for a 3-4, which we haven't really used. otherwise you've got a small (weight and height) DE without great speed, or a big LB without good speed.
Uh oh CarlosR - you have invoked the analytical draft wrath of That Guy. I fear that your doom approaches.
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i like your ideas carlosrogersisdaman, but i think frost has been pretty good this year and we dont need to draft a punter
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as far as f.a goes i would only sign gibrail wilson from the giants, hes a beast he can cover and hes young and sign a young less expensive cb like gay from patriots
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Okay, if your are going to make claims like these you really should break down the numbers if you want to be taken seriously:

- Where you getting the 55M number on Clements AND how are you asserting the contract will be structured?

- IF you are seriously suggesting that Gibbs & Co. are incapable of restructuring existing contracts and new contracts in a manner that would enable them to sign clements, a first round pick, dockery and (betts or duckett), THEN please tell me what you expect each to demand in a signing bonus and tell me why Brunnell, Wynn, Samuels, Jansen and/or a host of other existing contracts can't be restructured or terminated to accomodate these bonuses. Otherwise you are really just talking out your ass.

simple last offseason clements was a free agent the bills franchised him he was looking for a 60 milion deal
champ bailey got 64 Mill 3 years ago , Clements want 55-60 million , they are abou tthe same age.
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as far as f.a goes i would only sign gibrail wilson from the giants, hes a beast he can cover and hes young and sign a young less expensive cb like gay from patriots

wilson is over rated , he gets punked in the running game is basically an under sized safety .
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i like your ideas carlosrogersisdaman, but i think frost has been pretty good this year and we dont need to draft a punter

frost are u kidding me lol , the guy that kicks the ball 35 yards a punt lol
frost cant get a job on any other nfl team

this punter from maryland kicks the ball 50 yard like its nothing, and hav a long of 71 this year.
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also, we only have a 1, 5, 6, 7 this year, so how are we going to draft all those guys? and why bother with podesh when Sepulveda is available in the 5th and brandon fields might be undrafted?

crosby is going in the 2nd and wilson probably goes in the 3rd, they're both the types that raise as the draft gets closer. why get lamar when we might have a shot at a guy like gaines? woodley's probably a better fit for a 3-4, which we haven't really used. otherwise you've got a small (weight and height) DE without great speed, or a big LB without good speed.

daniels is 33 and wynn is 32, so i don't know where you did your research on that. you also don't give contract's to guys still on rookie deals generally. cooley's not going to be worth much more next year than he is this year, so that's just throwing away cap space for no reason. no to mention it'd be impossible to take archuleta's hit then go around and overpay ANOTHER safety. did you even run the numbers before putting that post up? how do you hand out that many big contracts, resign our players, and take arch's cap hit and stay under? you do NOT pay you're #2 TE 3mill per unless he's superman.

you can't trade down like that (when's the last time a single team has traded down 4 times in one round), not to mention denver has the option to force a trade down if we're too close. oh yeah, woodley is going closer to the 15th overall pick than the 30th, so you'd need to pick another player there too.

redskins traded down like 3 times in 2002 when we got ramsey at 32 ,maybe we trade down 3 times ok, but we get young skilled players FOR CHEAP . gaines adams to me is a little over rated, he is not very good in the run he weights less that woodley , wood is 6-1 274 , adams is 6-5 260, adams has a body like carter. and woodley has a body like merriman .

wynn is done, daniels has very litle left in the tank.
the 49ers gave vernon davis 25 million? and his a damn rookie
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redskins traded down like 3 times in 2002 when we got ramsey at 32 ,maybe we trade down 3 times ok, but we get young skilled players FOR CHEAP . gaines adams to me is a little over rated, he is not very good in the run he weights less that woodley , wood is 6-1 274 , adams is 6-5 260, adams has a body like carter. and woodley has a body like merriman .

wynn is done, daniels has very litle left in the tank.
the 49ers gave vernon davis 25 million? and his a damn rookie
davis was a top 5 pick and he's also their #1 TE, not their #2, so i fail to see how that has to do with anything i mentioned. we can't trade down 3 times cause the broncos get a free exchange of picks, and again, if lamar is a top 15-20 pick, how do we get him at 30? i didn't say anything about wynn or daniels besides that you got their ages wrong, whether they're done or not has nothing to do with what i mentioned either. (btw, in hindsight trading down and bypassing charles grant, javon walker, and ed reed for ramsey looks like a REALLY smart decision now, doesn't it?)

it is funny that you talk about getting players cheap when your plan involves giving out another massive round of contracts to everyone under the sun though.

who we pick (for me) would depend on who's available, but the best DE available has to be considered. getting 3 lesser players may not be a good trade off if we end up with a hole at the starting spot when the dust clears.


the FAs available and worth considering are basically clements, some LBs (which wouldn't be a bad pickup), josh brown (K), and a cheap safety (which are always around). OL depth would be nice too, but honestly a late 2nd/early 3rd is the best place to pick a guy up without spending a ton for a bench player.
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frost are u kidding me lol , the guy that kicks the ball 35 yards a punt lol
frost cant get a job on any other nfl team

this punter from maryland kicks the ball 50 yard like its nothing, and hav a long of 71 this year.
frost has been getting it consistently inside the 20 and is averaging over 42 per punt, thats not bad. he is definitely much improved from last year
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simple last offseason clements was a free agent the bills franchised him he was looking for a 60 milion deal
champ bailey got 64 Mill 3 years ago , Clements want 55-60 million , they are abou tthe same age.
As I said, how are you structuring the money? He wants 60M in the first year? The first three years? Neither of those are gonna happen. Not from us, not from anybody.

Again, you fail to explain how contracts will be structured or the specific financial year by year implications of your proposed actions.
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