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Old 12-03-2006, 05:46 PM   #16
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i dont buy that, no defense no playoffs last year brunell had a good year too and moss
You are correct. Defense got us there and won the TB game. If the right deal is on the table, and we could get some draft picks, I would trade Portis in a hearbeat. Betts, Duckett and Cartwright could handle the load. People forget Betts is a 2nd round draft pick and should be the starter anyway. Normal teams have their 2nd rounders, that have been around while starting. Not playing 2nd string.
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Portis had 127 carries in 8 games.A average of 15 carries a game.In the last 2 weeks Betts has averaged 26 carries a game.Portis never ran the ball 25 times or more this year.So give Portis the ball 25 to 30 times a game and then see what happens.People that say trade Portis are stupid.He is one of the best backs in the NFL.What no one understands is he was not the same after the shoulder injury.If this team traded Portis i would be done with them.Thats why we suck in the first place.We let Smoot,Pierce and Clack go.Let CP go you guys are stupid.I see threads all the time b**ching all the time about Clark.We need to keep our team together for a season or 2.
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Old 12-03-2006, 06:00 PM   #18
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You are correct. Defense got us there and won the TB game. If the right deal is on the table, and we could get some draft picks, I would trade Portis in a hearbeat. Betts, Duckett and Cartwright could handle the load. People forget Betts is a 2nd round draft pick and should be the starter anyway. Normal teams have their 2nd rounders, that have been around while starting. Not playing 2nd string.
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Old 12-03-2006, 06:06 PM   #19
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Portis had 127 carries in 8 games.A average of 15 carries a game.In the last 2 weeks Betts has averaged 26 carries a game.Portis never ran the ball 25 times or more this year.So give Portis the ball 25 to 30 times a game and then see what happens.People that say trade Portis are stupid.He is one of the best backs in the NFL.What no one understands is he was not the same after the shoulder injury.If this team traded Portis i would be done with them.Thats why we suck in the first place.We let Smoot,Pierce and Clack go.Let CP go you guys are stupid.I see threads all the time b**ching all the time about Clark.We need to keep our team together for a season or 2.
One thing you have to realize is this team is NO quality depth. None what so ever. Plus some starters need to be replaced. So how do you get better? Go out and get more free agents? I think we all know that's not the way to go. So we have got to do it possibly by drafting and bringing in some free agents. How do we get draft picks since we have none? You have to give up something in order to get something. In other words we may have to take two steps back before we take one forward.
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One thing you have to realize is this team is NO quality depth. None what so ever. Plus some starters need to be replaced. So how do you get better? Go out and get more free agents? I think we all know that's not the way to go. So we have got to do it possibly by drafting and bringing in some free agents. How do we get draft picks since we have none? You have to give up something in order to get something. In other words we may have to take two steps back before we take one forward.
So trading one of the best rb's in the league for a bunch of picks that may or may not be busts is the answer?
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One thing you have to realize is this team is NO quality depth. None what so ever. Plus some starters need to be replaced. So how do you get better? Go out and get more free agents? I think we all know that's not the way to go. So we have got to do it possibly by drafting and bringing in some free agents. How do we get draft picks since we have none? You have to give up something in order to get something. In other words we may have to take two steps back before we take one forward.
We can't fix this through the draft immediately, but if it is decided that GW has lost his unit, we can dump his players immediately.

I think that unless we see improvement in the last 4 games, it will be a few years before the D is any better than respectable. But our offense should be around the top of the league next year...so its best to cut all the dead weight (clarifcation: age) off the defense THIS offseason if thats the route we choose.

We can be a .500 club next season (playoffs with a considerable amount of luck) with a bunch of UDFAs on D playing with Sean Taylor, Andre Carter, and Carlos Rogers, if it came to that. But if we keep the D we have now, and are then only a .500 club, now we have a BIG problem.
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Old 12-03-2006, 06:20 PM   #22
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So trading one of the best rb's in the league for a bunch of picks that may or may not be busts is the answer?
If the right deal is one the table than yes. If a deal has multiple picks then you do it in a hearbeat. That is how you get better. Look at the Cowboys current of young draft picks. Ware, James, Spears, Canty, Jones, Romo and Neuman. I'm sure I'm leaving a few out. They have young draft picks that are producing for them. Remember the Hershal Walker trade? Plus if you know anything about football, and I'm sure you do, then you know that you can find and win with average RB's. I think Betts has proven he can be a very good back in this league.
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So trading one of the best rb's in the league for a bunch of picks that may or may not be busts is the answer?
The key is to keep the O intact and let it grow into one of the leagues best. You cut the fat on the defensive side of the ball.

This does two things:

#1 We dont find ourselves in cap hell come 2008 and beyond.
#2 We could find some inexpensive cornerstones on defense such as another AP.
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Re: Here! I'm going to say it and wait for all of you to crush me because of it!

totally agree with this thread, however lets see how we deal with betts in his contract year because we could get a good pick from him too.
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Re: Here! I'm going to say it and wait for all of you to crush me because of it!

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Old 12-03-2006, 09:10 PM   #26
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I'm sorry, but CP does alot more than just run. He's awesome in pass protection. Something that Betts is horrible at.

CP has homerun hitter potential, like Moss. He can change a game on one play. Haven't quite seen that from Betts.

And I love his toughness. Dude is nails. However, if we could get a stud pass rusher in the deal...
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Re: Here! I'm going to say it and wait for all of you to crush me because of it!

Yeah this is a good idea lets get rid of our starter and use a back up. It sure worked when we got rid of Davis and got Canidate.
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Re: Here! I'm going to say it and wait for all of you to crush me because of it!

i cant believe that you all are writing portis off. he was injured this whole season and set the redskins all-time rushing record. that isnt something that happens everyday. and also, does anyone remember betts' injury problems? this is the first year he has been totally healthy i believe.

BTW both duckett and betts are free agents and are going to cost a lot of money, atleast betts will after this season, that plus the cap hit we'd take (i dont know but id assume it would be high), plus the leadership portis has etc...not worth it AT ALL
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i cant believe that you all are writing portis off. he was injured this whole season and set the redskins all-time rushing record. that isnt something that happens everyday. and also, does anyone remember betts' injury problems? this is the first year he has been totally healthy i believe.

BTW both duckett and betts are free agents and are going to cost a lot of money, atleast betts will after this season, that plus the cap hit we'd take (i dont know but id assume it would be high), plus the leadership portis has etc...not worth it AT ALL
Also we don't want to do anything to lower the quality of the offense, espicially if we start from scratch on the defense.
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yea but what you dont seem to realize is that some of the good run betts had today would have gone farther with Portis simply becuase he is a better back, faster, and has better vision. Portis would have produced more then Betts today without question.

But i do think we should trade Moss, i mean we have Brandon Loyd and Randle El and thrash is playing decent:cheeky-sm
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