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View Poll Results: Skins/Falcons: Who's your goat?
Defense 41 56.94%
Offensive line (pass protection) 11 15.28%
Campbell 11 15.28%
other 9 12.50%
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:19 AM   #61
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This is the first time I've had to disagree with you Matty. (Your anger is coming out in your posts.) The two of you will have to agree to AGREE. I think if you review your posts (your's and BigC's) you'll find you're both saying the same thing: if one just saw the game and knew nothing of the "history" going in, Jason Campbell is definitely a possible selection as the goat. But if one factors in that it is his third start, he shouldn't be. You are just differing on whether one was supposed to factor this in for the poll or not.

(While you were horrified, adjusting for the fact that Springs was out, I thought the defense did reasonably well for much of the game. Even though Vick was completing passes, I felt the pass defense was just a hair off most of the time instead of just looking silly as they did earlier in the season.)
I'm not angry at all, believe me I don't get that upset over something I can't control.

I'm just amazed that people can watch a D give up 250 yards on the ground yet point the finger at other areas as being more problematic.

I guess some choose to take the poll question very literally and want to analyze the performances soley on that day, which is fine but seems a little narrow minded to me. I chose to keep the big picture in mind as I made my choice.
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:12 AM   #62
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I agree with what you're saying that we can't expect Campbell to be a star all of a sudden and he needs some time.

However, the language was highly inappropriate. So...First warning. Say anything even remotely like this again, you're done.
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:28 AM   #63
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Re: Skins/Falcons goat of the day

Hands down -- defense.

We should have been able to win after getting up by 2 TDs. However, the offense did fall off rather quickly -- our only points came early in the game.
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:29 AM   #64
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...maybe if he was in his 4th year like Tony Homo is you people could expect bigger things from the guy...
LOL. Isn't JC in his third year? Does one year make that much difference?
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:36 AM   #65
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LOL. Isn't JC in his third year? Does one year make that much difference?
Second year, isn't it?
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Second year, isn't it?
Yeah. And he's obviously in his first year in this system.
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LOL. Isn't JC in his third year? Does one year make that much difference?
Second season. Fifth season in a row with a new offense. And while Campbell made a few bad plays, I think the second pick would have been a touchdown if Betts had made any kind of attempt to chip the blitzing linebacker(which Portis does better than anyone), to keep Campbell from getting blasted at the point on release. However, my goat of the week would have to be the coaching staff. Why, when you've racked up 80+ rushing yards in the first quarter, basically abandon the run in the second half. They went from 90% runs to less than 50%, when they were still ahead, and every back on the roster was running all over them.
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Old 12-04-2006, 10:10 AM   #68
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Re: Skins/Falcons goat of the day

My bad guys. I guess Romo has 2 more years than JC, and that would be significant -- especially since he didn't learn a new offense this year.
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Old 12-04-2006, 10:26 AM   #69
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Re: Skins/Falcons goat of the day

Vick could have run on every play and gotten 10+ yards if he wanted to.....that's a problem. He didn't need to, but if the game was closer at the end, I couldve seen him scramblling more often, tearing us a new A$$HO*E.
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Old 12-04-2006, 10:27 AM   #70
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Re: Skins/Falcons goat of the day

the defense was horrible..i said defense..
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Re: Skins/Falcons goat of the day

Well, Campbell's first INT was painful, but he didn't have a chance on that play. He should've eaten the ball but he's a playmaker (GREAT run for a first down to set up a TD in the first quarter and plenty of deep balls) and tried to do something. After he completely torched them in the first quarter, the Atlanta defense just started blitzing EVERYONE every play so he wouldn't have time to throw. It worked great. It would've worked on ANY QB. We should've used 2 TEs and kept Sellers in at all times when it started, but we were still using 1 back and 3 receivers most plays. Campbell had no chance, so I can't blame him for the bad INT to a lineman or the loss. Thankfully, Betts didn't hurt his shoulder on the tackle.

I have to pick the defense again.

Yes, I know they're decimated by injuries, but the guys on the field need to step up. Vernon Fox looked good again. Ade Jimoh played CB great after subbing in for the injured Kenny Wright, who was in for Springs. Ade had 7 tackles. Andre Carter had 11 and a sack and was being held ALL day. I don't remember one big hit by Taylor all day. I was hoping he could whack Vick in the open field, but he missed the hit on the one good chance he got. We did knock Vick around though, hurting his wrist and his leg, but we let the RBs run all over us and Ashley Lelie suddenly remembered how to catch the ball.

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Old 12-04-2006, 11:54 AM   #72
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I'm not angry at all, believe me I don't get that upset over something I can't control.

I'm just amazed that people can watch a D give up 250 yards on the ground yet point the finger at other areas as being more problematic.

I guess some choose to take the poll question very literally and want to analyze the performances soley on that day, which is fine but seems a little narrow minded to me. I chose to keep the big picture in mind as I made my choice.
Putting it like that, than yeah, it would be hard to point the finger at JC. But reread the title of the thread. Sounds pretty cut and dry to me. Maybe "goat of the big picture" would have been a better title, than some of us wouldn't sound so narrow minded, as you like to put it.
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Re: Skins/Falcons goat of the day

Split the goat between the O Line and Defense.

O Line not giving Campbell much to work with. For the offense to be successful, the kid's gonna need time to throw. And his receivers need to stop dropping the damn ball (Cooley).

Defense had 2 starters missing (Springs, Vincent), and had to lean heavily on the front 7 to stop the NFL's #1 rush offense. Atlanta got 2 TDs through the air, on 8-16 passing.
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Old 12-04-2006, 01:03 PM   #74
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I guess some choose to take the poll question very literally and want to analyze the performances soley on that day, which is fine but seems a little narrow minded to me. I chose to keep the big picture in mind as I made my choice.
I understand "goat of the day" to refer to this one particular game. If you wanna factor expectations into the equation, then "who was the biggest disappointment" would be a more appropriate title.

If we use your logic Matty then JC would be exempt from ever being the goat, as would every other rookie or young player on the team.
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Old 12-04-2006, 01:15 PM   #75
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I understand "goat of the day" to refer to this one particular game. If you wanna factor expectations into the equation, then "who was the biggest disappointment" would be a more appropriate title.

If we use your logic Matty then JC would be exempt from ever being the goat, as would every other rookie or young player on the team.
You can analyze that one game while also considering other circumstances such as JC was starting just his 3rd game.

I didn't realize goat of the day meant take everything else out of the equation. Next time I'll be more clear.
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