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Old 12-05-2006, 09:19 AM   #31
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Re: Randle El Signing Shows Why Skins Can't Compete

To all the people who bash ARE, let's take a look at the past for a second. He was the third receiver in Pitt for a while behind Burress. It was not until he was the number 2 guy that they won the superbowl. I know that most of the credit goes to a great defense and a solid running game, but they had that before. Anytime ARE gets the ball he has the potential to make a big play, just like he did for Pitt last year, I'm glad we have him. Once we can get him the ball more I think he'll show to be a great acquisition. Plus, I heard he's a good locker room guy, someone that the players respect and always stays positive. We need a veteran guy like him to help lead this team.
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:39 AM   #32
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We do have Cooley though who is a better receiving TE than Gibbs ever had in his first run.
That's comparing apples to oranges. Cooley doesn't have WR speed or hands.
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Old 12-05-2006, 10:09 AM   #33
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That's comparing apples to oranges. Cooley doesn't have WR speed or hands.
I'm just comparing offensive weapons. The big WR theory is seriously overrated these days anyway, especially with the new rules that favor the WRs.
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Old 12-05-2006, 10:17 AM   #34
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I'm just comparing offensive weapons. The big WR theory is seriously overrated these days anyway, especially with the new rules that favor the WRs.
If that's true, it will be interesting to see how high Calvin Johnson gets drafted if

he comes out this year.
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Old 12-05-2006, 10:48 AM   #35
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I've been wondering about that...
Maybe a lot of familiar people under new names? A lot seem to "slide" into the discussion more easily than a lot of newbies. (E.g., wouldn't a true newbie start posting slowly and then gradually up his posting frequency? Wouldn't a newbie also contribute to existing existing threads rather than start new ones?)
Or is it possible that these people were kicked off other boards for their behavior and are landing here in droves?

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...On another note, we are pioneering another type of fan. We seem to be collecting a large number of NEW bashers. Not your routine sort of Bandwagon Fare, but interesting. Only in Skins land
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Old 12-05-2006, 10:51 AM   #36
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I guess he thought they were saying "shucks and uhhh" in Iraq.

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If you project his rating over 200 throws...then WHAT? Oh the suspense!! Help me!!

I have no idea where you are going with this though, but you at least started your sentence as if you were going to drop a statistical bombshell.
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(E.g., wouldn't a true newbie start posting slowly and then gradually up his posting frequency? Wouldn't a newbie also contribute to existing existing threads rather than start new ones?)
Only in an ideal world.

That's common forum etiqutte that a lot of people are obviously lacking.
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Old 12-05-2006, 11:06 AM   #38
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I'm just comparing offensive weapons. The big WR theory is seriously overrated these days anyway, especially with the new rules that favor the WRs.
i completely agree. Lloyd was a bad signing. we would've been just as good, if not better with Moss, Randle El, and Patten as the three WR's!
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:25 PM   #39
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I like Randle El, and he will be worth the money if we can free up a roster place by using him as the third QB
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Old 12-05-2006, 02:02 PM   #40
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I know the whole 20/20 thing and hindsight...

But it is painfully obvious that the FO made SERIOUSLY BAAAAD judgement of character with the players they picked up this year. Not that they are bad guys, but I think that the Skins thougt these guys would respond to a team that showed them the appreciation and the $$ they didn't get from their previous teams. AND BOY WERE THEY WRONG.

ARE got BIG TIME money and he was not a Big Time Player. Same with Lloyd and Arch and Carter.
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Old 12-05-2006, 02:52 PM   #41
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Signing Randle El to that ridiculous #1 WR contract is another in a long string of high-priced flops that characterizes the Snyder era. Like so many of these signings, most people knew the day the deal was ANNOUNCED that it was a terrible move. This is the biggest and most obvious disaster since Snyder signed Deion Sanders a year after it was obvious that Sanders had plummeted as a player.


There was and is no way Randle El could ever have lived up to that contract. That's $8M on signing bonus and $27M of salary cap money that could have brought in a gaggle of decent to superior players. As bad as Brunell may have been, who was he going to throw to? Santana Moss has been a non-factor most of the year, Randle El is largely useless as a wideout, which leaves Brandon Lloyd. Even the Eagles acquisition of Stallworth makes the Redskins look dumb in comparison, as he's better than BOTH Randle and Lloyd.

I don't care who your QB, or your coach, or anyone is. You aren't going to have success if you don't draft or bring in quality players who meet or exceed their pay scale.

And this is hardly an isolated incident. The incompetance is ongoing. Anyone think that TJ Duckett deal made any sense at all? The guys gone in another month, and so is our 3rd round pick.


First I want to say welcome to the board......

This general topic has been hashed and rehashed here ever since the team started losing games, and it became painfully obvious we were not going to play up to expectations. Randle El is a playmaker. His productivity has been curtailed because we haven't as yet, found the most creative ways to utilize his talents. He does have a long term contract, and considering the length of time we expect him to be here, I think he will become more effective as he's intergrated more into the offense. The jury is still out on different area's of this team, but some things need time to become the best that they will be.

I too have often shook my head on the Duckett trade, so if you have reservations about that one, you're not alone.
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Old 12-05-2006, 03:03 PM   #42
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I think the Skins would have done better signing Jurevicious but he's not flashy enough for this organization.
Yeah, because we always sign flashy guys like Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell and Ladell Betts.
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Old 12-05-2006, 03:17 PM   #43
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those same guys are sure as hell wishing they had him back. the steelers are greatly missing Randle El this year - big time! That guy does a lot that doesn't show up in the stat books. He is a bonafide game-changer. Although we may have over-paid a bit, I think it was a great signing. The bad decision, no horrible decision, was to sign brandon lloyd right after the ARE signing. Now, that was stupid!


I think we signed Brandon Lloyd before we signed Randle El, there was just a short spand of time between the signings.
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Old 12-05-2006, 03:17 PM   #44
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Randle El is a much needed playmake, who would you rather have returning punts in this league??? and don't tell me that isnt important, plus he can catch the ball. It's no his fault that all we do is run the ball.
No, its not his fault that we run the ball, but it is the front office's fault for signing him to a run first team- along with Brandon "model citizen" lloyd. Now, i would agree that ARE hasn't been a horrible signing- we def. overpaid for him, but i do see him as value adding- though he isn't returning many punts these days. While carter is playing better (and has a lot of tackles sunday) a couple of games does not a season make...

AA is not even worth further comment, neither is the model citizen.

far as i'm concerned, i don't want Betts back if we keep portis- which we will do. Let him go, use the money we would pay him to beef up CB or D line...whats the point of paying another guy starter money when we already have one of the highest paid back in the league! If we think Betts is THAT good, then let Portis go- which would be problematic given his injury and lack of stats. (relative to his workload).
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Old 12-05-2006, 03:25 PM   #45
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There seem to be much bigger fish to fry in this free agent class than ARE. He appears to be one of the only keepers IMO...
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