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Old 12-05-2006, 04:07 PM   #46
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Re: What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?

David Patten has injury problems, he's missed most of the last two seasons. Today we have systematically dised both Lloyd, and Ranlde El which means we're down to Moss and Thrash. What are we going to do?
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Old 12-05-2006, 04:28 PM   #47
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I am very sad about all this Lloyd stuff because he is one of my favorites. I love his passion, and he always seems like he does well in the few chances he gets to make plays. I think he blocks, catches, all the dirty work. I still feel he never even gets the ball thrown towards him. It is ok now, because Campbell is young, but Lloyd really got F'ed over by Brunell, who only threw to Moss and Cooley because he sucked.
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Yes, all Brunells fault like when JC was only looking for Moss as Colley was wide open in the middle of the field twice as we needed a quick TD. Its time we quite blamming all of our problems on MB the all mighty one JC has not shown us anything more than what MB did. OK so Brunell has more years of experence but as I always read he sucks, weak arm, scared,slow and everything else that he gets blammed for. JC has youth, strong arm, fast, tall and he cannot out produce MB who you say sucks.
I will continue to say Brunell sucks, because he does. But just because he sucks doesnt make JC automatically good. If you read my thread about JC's inexperience I clearly mention numerous flaws that Campbell has, so I have no idea where you are going with that.

EDIT: I am 30 times harshing on Brunell because he is a freaking vet, they arent suppose to play like 2nd year QBs. I expected much more out of Brunell, and I am very disappointed.
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Old 12-05-2006, 05:03 PM   #49
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I will continue to say Brunell sucks, because he does. But just because he sucks doesnt make JC automatically good. If you read my thread about JC's inexperience I clearly mention numerous flaws that Campbell has, so I have no idea where you are going with that.

EDIT: I am 30 times harshing on Brunell because he is a freaking vet, they arent suppose to play like 2nd year QBs. I expected much more out of Brunell, and I am very disappointed.
Let it go man. This thread isn't about Brunell, Campbell, Ramsey, Frerotte, Shuler, Banks, George, etc.
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Maybe its just so dam old to keep hearing about how everything is MB fault. My point was if he suck that bad and JC cannot even produce his numbers where the hell is this going to go. The truth is that our team has sucked this year and it seems as everyone has stepped in the same I suck puddle.
I see where you are coming from, but it is obvious that Brunell will never be better than he is right now. But Campbell, being young, has the potential of improving and becoming much better. You cannot seriously make a judgement about Campbell after his first 3 games.

I think the problem here is that everyone here is looking for a Big Ben, Brady, or Romo(who isnt even a very young qb, I am fucking sick of the media raving about how he is a great QB, even though he has had tons of reps on the practice field for years). Those kinda QBs are a dime in a dozen, and sitting there hoping for one will just make you crazy. You have to develop most NFL QBs.
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Even though I feel Brunell wasnt so great, I do realize he got the short end of the stick because our D sucked. If our D plays well, then any QB looks good. I am positive if we had the D we did last year, Brunell would still be in, and we would be a playoff contender.
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Because I was there.
Typical. What kind of a-hole double parks his car and then berates the parking attendent? It's just little things like that. If anyone gets a chance go to washingtonpost.com and read today's article about LLoyd. All I have to say about Lloyd is shut up and ball.
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Old 12-05-2006, 08:58 PM   #53
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All recievers drop balls. I am glad someone shows disgust in the way the Redskins are playing.
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:59 PM   #54
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Why would anyone expect these two wr's to put up big numbers here , when they have not done it in Sf and Pittsburgh ? Loyd is only good for a few deep passes a year , and R El averaged around 35 catches / year . They screwed up trading a 3rd and 4th for loyd .
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All recievers drop balls. I am glad someone shows disgust in the way the Redskins are playing.
Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? Lloyd has made as many good plays as he has bad ones.....just like the rest of the team. It would be one thing if he was just getting pissed at himself, but it sounds like he's venting on teammates.
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Typical. What kind of a-hole double parks his car and then berates the parking attendent? It's just little things like that. If anyone gets a chance go to washingtonpost.com and read today's article about LLoyd. All I have to say about Lloyd is shut up and ball.
The security officer stood his ground and the end result was Lloyd moving his car to a secluded parking space, next to the fence. I guess he has little trust in his fellow teammates; as they're the only ones allowed to park in that section. (Unless he's the "whistle-blower" behind Friends article.)
Needless to say, there was probably 300 fans who witnessed the ordeal. A few spectators cracked jokes, saying that his car must be on a lease program and based on the teams preformance this year, he can't afford to pay for any scratches.
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Old 12-06-2006, 12:05 PM   #57
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If SF was so worried about getting rid of bad character guys, then why did

they sign Antonio Bryant? I think questioning Lloyd's character at this

point is a little premature.
I didn't say they were worried about character guys. Every team has some headcases. All I said was that they wanted LLoyd and Barlow gone. Perhaps A. Bryant is a hard worker and a good locker room guy who just pops off once in a while. Perhaps SF believes Barlow is more talented than LLoyd Who knows?
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Old 12-06-2006, 12:38 PM   #58
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Exactly how many passes get thrown his way? I gotta disagree here. It's not his fault we don't have anyone to get the ball to him. I can recall one, maybe two he has dropped.
Lloyd through Week 13:

Looks = 53
Receptions = 20
Catch % = 38%


Sure, not ALL of them were drops, but quite a few were and some can also be attributed to missing routes, not being able to get open or miscommunication that could be his fault or the QBs, or both.

In comparison, Santana Moss this year (with the same QBs):
Looks = 71
Receptions = 41
Catch % = 58%

Cooley (who we know has been dropping passes):
Looks = 67
Receptions = 37
Catch % = 55%

Randel El (who gets a lot of handoffs instead of passes):
Looks = 39
Receptions = 22
Catch % = 56%

Ladell Betts (receiving):
Looks = 47
Receptions = 40
Catch % = 85%



As you can see, Lloyd's catch % is WAY below everyone else's. It can't be the QB's problem because everyone else is about equal, except for Betts because most of his passes are shorter since he's coming out of the backfield.

*Stats calculated by Buster
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Old 12-07-2006, 12:49 PM   #59
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Re: What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?

Buster, how do you factor in things like if the ball was headed in Lloyd's direction but sailed out of bounds, or was intercepted before it got to him? Those would count as looks right, but shouldn't as drops I don't think.
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