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Old 12-07-2006, 12:57 PM   #61
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Re: What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?

Even Brunell had a pissed look on his face several weeks back when he threw to Loyd & he didn't adjust to the ball. It looked like MB was mad that he didn't complete the route.
Good route running is hard work & often requires precision on the part of wr & qb. Speed & hands get wr's into the nfl, but route running separates the good ones from the rest. I just don't think Loyd looks like he's in sync w/coverages & his responsiblities. Maybe a yr. in the system will change that.
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Old 12-07-2006, 01:04 PM   #62
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Re: What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?

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Lloyd through Week 13:

Looks = 53
Receptions = 20
Catch % = 38%


Sure, not ALL of them were drops, but quite a few were and some can also be attributed to missing routes, not being able to get open or miscommunication that could be his fault or the QBs, or both.

In comparison, Santana Moss this year (with the same QBs):
Looks = 71
Receptions = 41
Catch % = 58%

Cooley (who we know has been dropping passes):
Looks = 67
Receptions = 37
Catch % = 55%

Randel El (who gets a lot of handoffs instead of passes):
Looks = 39
Receptions = 22
Catch % = 56%

Ladell Betts (receiving):
Looks = 47
Receptions = 40
Catch % = 85%



As you can see, Lloyd's catch % is WAY below everyone else's. It can't be the QB's problem because everyone else is about equal, except for Betts because most of his passes are shorter since he's coming out of the backfield.

*Stats calculated by Buster
Just from watching every game, i can't recall more than a couple dropped passes from Lloyd. Maybe i'm wrong. I remember alot of misthrows-maybe he is not running good routes but it looks as though these throws are one hopping to him or over his head.

It seems like whenever we throw to him good things happen. There was a thread a few weeks ago that eluded to this, i believe. It just doesn't seem like Lloyd gets many catchable balls his way.
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Old 12-07-2006, 01:32 PM   #63
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Re: What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?

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Buster, how do you factor in things like if the ball was headed in Lloyd's direction but sailed out of bounds, or was intercepted before it got to him? Those would count as looks right, but shouldn't as drops I don't think.
No, I stated that I know they're not ALL drops...but we can't possibly think that both Brunell and Campbell are only throwing bad balls to Lloyd. Moss is even smaller than he is, I believe, so that can't be an issue with overthrows.

The stat that he's only catching about half of the throws of everyone else is just alarming. It CAN'T be a fluke.
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:22 PM   #64
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Re: What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?

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No, I stated that I know they're not ALL drops...but we can't possibly think that both Brunell and Campbell are only throwing bad balls to Lloyd.
Oh ok. I missed that part of it. Thanks
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:40 PM   #65
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Re: What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?

He is our downfield guy, he only get midrange and deep looks, while moss and randle el get a lot more short balls, so the % may be skewed, but still, very bad % on his part.
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:33 PM   #66
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Re: What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?

Out of curiosity, do you know what this stat is for Thrash? (Patten hasn't played enough to be of interest.)

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Originally Posted by Buster View Post
Lloyd through Week 13:

Looks = 53
Receptions = 20
Catch % = 38%


Sure, not ALL of them were drops, but quite a few were and some can also be attributed to missing routes, not being able to get open or miscommunication that could be his fault or the QBs, or both.

In comparison, Santana Moss this year (with the same QBs):
Looks = 71
Receptions = 41
Catch % = 58%

Cooley (who we know has been dropping passes):
Looks = 67
Receptions = 37
Catch % = 55%

Randel El (who gets a lot of handoffs instead of passes):
Looks = 39
Receptions = 22
Catch % = 56%

Ladell Betts (receiving):
Looks = 47
Receptions = 40
Catch % = 85%



As you can see, Lloyd's catch % is WAY below everyone else's. It can't be the QB's problem because everyone else is about equal, except for Betts because most of his passes are shorter since he's coming out of the backfield.

*Stats calculated by Buster
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