Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids)

ArtMonkDrillz · 12-06-2006, 08:47 AM

ESPN.com - NFL - Saints' Thomas slapped with four-game 'roid suspension

Does anyone else agree with me that this is a stupid ruling by the NFL? For those of you who don't want to read the article I'll sum it up. The Saint's defensive lineman Hollis Thomas failed a steroids test this summer because of asthma medication that he needs to take. The NFL felt that even though doctors say Thomas shouldn't be suspended they have to hold him to the same rules as everyone else.
This will probably be a good thing for the Skins in 2 weeks, and I like that, but still, this really doesn't seem fair to me. Anyone else agree?

Mods- please move this to a different forum if it should be somewhere else

RobH4413 · 12-06-2006, 08:57 AM

"According to the doctor, Thomas needs a long acting beta agonist and a short acting beta agonist to control his asthma."

That's good enough for me.

This is very Bogus. Should be done on a case by case basis and not a "rules apply to everyone" policy. I guess they didn't want to open up any loopholes, still seems kind of hearltess, but alas, that's the NFL.

Quick question... If the same thing happened to Peyton Manning, do you think the NFL would have suspended him? I'm no expert, but I don't think they would.

cpayne5 · 12-06-2006, 08:58 AM

If the league isn't going to back off in this case, and if Thomas does indeed need steroids to breathe, then his career is essentially over, no?

ArtMonkDrillz · 12-06-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RobH4413

Quick question... If the same thing happened to Peyton Manning, do you think the NFL would have suspended him? I'm no expert, but I don't think they would.

That's a really good point. If that were to Manning and they did suspend him ESPN would bitching all over Outside the Lines, First and 10, PTI, Around the Horn, NFL Live, etc, etc, etc about how unfair this is.

But I guess he should have just risked DEATH rather than taking the medication that he needs because he knew it'd get him in trouble.

onlydarksets · 12-06-2006, 09:05 AM

That's horse-poo. Did anyone at the league actually look at this case, or did they just see "steroid" and then red stamp it?

Schneed10 · 12-06-2006, 09:07 AM

Wow that's total bullhooey.

NFL needs to think about the spirit of the rule. The no-steroids policy is designed to prevent players from taking stuff to get an edge. Hollis Thomas is just taking medicine to keep himself healthy, not get an edge. There's no cheating here.

BDBohnzie · 12-06-2006, 09:07 AM

The poor guy gets suspended for using Advair, so that he can breathe. It's a shame, but as stated, I guess the NFL doesn't want the floodgates to open. I wonder if it's something they can work on for next season.

onlydarksets · 12-06-2006, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wow that's total bullhooey.

NFL needs to think about the spirit of the rule. The no-steroids policy is designed to prevent players from taking stuff to get an edge. Hollis Thomas is just taking medicine to keep himself healthy, not get an edge. There's no cheating here.

I guess, technically, breathing is an "angle". I could play in the NFL if I were the only one who could breathe.

NYCSkin · 12-06-2006, 09:30 AM

The possibility of having a positive steroid test from inhaled steroids is virtually impossible for a few reasons. I say this as a physician and former asthma researcher.

Firstly, inhaled steroids for asthma have minimal systemic effects due to their absorption at the local level (the lungs) to provide better targeted therapy. Therefore, their detectable blood level is null, unless I suppose you inhaled a tremendous dosage, which in any case would not be a clinically feasible approach to treating asthma.

More importantly, steroids used in asthma treatment are related to a certain hormone, cortisol, and not androgens (like testosterone-another hormone), which are anabolic (muscle building). The steroid testing done in the NFL looks for sources of anabolic steroids and not those steroids used to treat asthma.

And I agree that it will bode well for the Skins' running attack to have him out for this game...

SmootSmack · 12-06-2006, 09:30 AM

I've taken Advair. Guess this explains why I'm not in the NFL.

SmootSmack · 12-06-2006, 09:32 AM

Did he just start taking the medicine? Wouldn't the league have said something before? I mean, it's not like he's a rookie who just appeared on the scene this year

BDBohnzie · 12-06-2006, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYCSkin

The possibility of having a positive steroid test from inhaled steroids is virtually impossible for a few reasons. I say this as a physician and former asthma researcher.

Firstly, inhaled steroids for asthma have minimal systemic effects due to their absorption at the local level (the lungs) to provide better targeted therapy. Therefore, their detectable blood level is null, unless I suppose you inhaled a tremendous dosage, which in any case would not be a clinically feasible approach to treating asthma.

More importantly, steroids used in asthma treatment are related to a certain hormone, cortisol, and not androgens (like testosterone-another hormone), which are anabolic (muscle building). The steroid testing done in the NFL looks for sources of anabolic steroids and not those steroids used to treat asthma.

And I agree that it will bode well for the Skins' running attack to have him out for this game...

For argument's sake, what if Thomas just happened to use the Advair right before his drug test. Would it be possible that with it being fresh in his system, that it could trigger a false positive in the test?

JWsleep · 12-06-2006, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I've taken Advair. Guess this explains why I'm not in the NFL.

Me too! And it explains why I am a 300 pound super athlete who can run a 4.3 40 and jump over the moon... (Actually, I am a skinny "vertically challenged" philosophy professor...but whatever

)

ArtMonkDrillz · 12-06-2006, 09:48 AM

NYCSkin, would you say that the doctor probably stood up for Thomas because he also works for the saints?

JWsleep · 12-06-2006, 09:50 AM

NYC Skin--nice post--good to have some actual knowledge on the board...(not that everyone else isn't just FILLED with knowledge

)

Question (don't answer if you are worried about liability--seriously): Are there documented long-term risks with Advair? It works great on controlling my asthma, but I am not so happy about putting any sort of steroid in my body for long periods of time. Thanks, and like I said--don't answer if it's a problem. (Am I hijacking this thread?)

12-06-2006, 08:47 AM	#1
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 30 Posts: 7,758	Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids) ESPN.com - NFL - Saints' Thomas slapped with four-game 'roid suspension Does anyone else agree with me that this is a stupid ruling by the NFL? For those of you who don't want to read the article I'll sum it up. The Saint's defensive lineman Hollis Thomas failed a steroids test this summer because of asthma medication that he needs to take. The NFL felt that even though doctors say Thomas shouldn't be suspended they have to hold him to the same rules as everyone else. This will probably be a good thing for the Skins in 2 weeks, and I like that, but still, this really doesn't seem fair to me. Anyone else agree? Mods- please move this to a different forum if it should be somewhere else __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

12-06-2006, 08:57 AM	#2
RobH4413 Wildcard Bitches Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 27 Posts: 2,382	Re: Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids) "According to the doctor, Thomas needs a long acting beta agonist and a short acting beta agonist to control his asthma." That's good enough for me. This is very Bogus. Should be done on a case by case basis and not a "rules apply to everyone" policy. I guess they didn't want to open up any loopholes, still seems kind of hearltess, but alas, that's the NFL. Quick question... If the same thing happened to Peyton Manning, do you think the NFL would have suspended him? I'm no expert, but I don't think they would. __________________ This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

12-06-2006, 08:58 AM	#3
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,804	Re: Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids) If the league isn't going to back off in this case, and if Thomas does indeed need steroids to breathe, then his career is essentially over, no?

12-06-2006, 09:05 AM	#5
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids) That's horse-poo. Did anyone at the league actually look at this case, or did they just see "steroid" and then red stamp it?

12-06-2006, 09:07 AM	#6
Schneed10 RG Glee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 33 Posts: 7,897	Re: Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids) Wow that's total bullhooey. NFL needs to think about the spirit of the rule. The no-steroids policy is designed to prevent players from taking stuff to get an edge. Hollis Thomas is just taking medicine to keep himself healthy, not get an edge. There's no cheating here. __________________ Skins' Salary Cap Status \| CrazyCanuck's Cap Figures by Player \| Salary Cap 101

12-06-2006, 09:07 AM	#7
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 34 Posts: 4,368	Re: Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids) The poor guy gets suspended for using Advair, so that he can breathe. It's a shame, but as stated, I guess the NFL doesn't want the floodgates to open. I wonder if it's something they can work on for next season. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

12-06-2006, 09:30 AM	#9
NYCSkin Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Age: 41 Posts: 513	Re: Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids) The possibility of having a positive steroid test from inhaled steroids is virtually impossible for a few reasons. I say this as a physician and former asthma researcher. Firstly, inhaled steroids for asthma have minimal systemic effects due to their absorption at the local level (the lungs) to provide better targeted therapy. Therefore, their detectable blood level is null, unless I suppose you inhaled a tremendous dosage, which in any case would not be a clinically feasible approach to treating asthma. More importantly, steroids used in asthma treatment are related to a certain hormone, cortisol, and not androgens (like testosterone-another hormone), which are anabolic (muscle building). The steroid testing done in the NFL looks for sources of anabolic steroids and not those steroids used to treat asthma. And I agree that it will bode well for the Skins' running attack to have him out for this game...

12-06-2006, 09:30 AM	#10
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids) I've taken Advair. Guess this explains why I'm not in the NFL. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-06-2006, 09:32 AM	#11
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids) Did he just start taking the medicine? Wouldn't the league have said something before? I mean, it's not like he's a rookie who just appeared on the scene this year __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-06-2006, 09:48 AM	#14
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 30 Posts: 7,758	Re: Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids) NYCSkin, would you say that the doctor probably stood up for Thomas because he also works for the saints? __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

12-06-2006, 09:50 AM	#15
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 44 Posts: 4,576	Re: Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids) NYC Skin--nice post--good to have some actual knowledge on the board...(not that everyone else isn't just FILLED with knowledge ) Question (don't answer if you are worried about liability--seriously): Are there documented long-term risks with Advair? It works great on controlling my asthma, but I am not so happy about putting any sort of steroid in my body for long periods of time. Thanks, and like I said--don't answer if it's a problem. (Am I hijacking this thread?) __________________ Hail from Houston!

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