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Old 12-06-2006, 05:17 PM   #16
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Re: Are We Critiquing the Wrong Coaches?

I am a Gibbs guy so I don't mean this as a knock on him but in general whether your talking about sports or the real world...a fish rots from the head down. If those coaches are f-ing up it would still be Gibbs & Saunders job to get them in line and ultimately their responsibility regardless.

I don't really blame coaching at all...I think the fault for this season lies mostly on front office talent evaluation and to a lesser extent injuries. We played the meaningful portion of our schedule without ever having Portis and Springs healthy and they are arguably the most important players on each side of the ball.
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Old 12-06-2006, 05:22 PM   #17
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So TO is a reflection of how Andy Reid and Bill Parcell's conduct themselves? Please, some of these guys aren't trying to conduct themselves as professionals. They're relying on their natural god-given ability to play football. If given the chance to slack and make millions while doing, some will. Count on it.

Also, Gibbs does not look like a deer caught in the headlights. Wide-eyed and stock still? He seems pretty composed to me. Smart enough not to allow emotions dictate his decision making process.
I am talking about a Gibbs coached team. That's why a TO wouldn't be a Redskin. Gibbs teams are "Gibbs Guys" you know " a real classy guy". So, with his lack of emotions and things going from bad to worse this whole teams engery look as drained as he does.

Gibbs is so stiff on the sidelines, I am waiting for him to freeze in that "arms crossed" stance he puts himself into every Sunday. Does he ever move?
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Old 12-06-2006, 05:26 PM   #18
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I am talking about a Gibbs coached team. That's why a TO wouldn't be a Redskin. Gibbs teams are "Gibbs Guys" you know " a real classy guy". So, with his lack of emotions and things going from bad to worse this whole teams engery look as drained as he does.

Gibbs is so stiff on the sidelines, I am waiting for him to freeze in that "arms crossed" stance he puts himself into every Sunday. Does he ever move?
Gibbs looks the same on the sidelines as he did when he was collecting Super Bowl trophies. If head coach sideline hysterics had anything to do with winning football games then the Giants would never lose...
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Old 12-06-2006, 05:45 PM   #19
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Gibbs looks the same on the sidelines as he did when he was collecting Super Bowl trophies. If head coach sideline hysterics had anything to do with winning football games then the Giants would never lose...
Well.... Here is a link to some pictures from another thread. Gibbs today and one with the SB trophy.

And you say he looks the same?

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ust-go-20.html (Im done....Gibbs must go.)
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Old 12-06-2006, 06:53 PM   #20
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Gibbs through the years has always been very stoic on the sidelines.

I guess Tom Coughlin's sideline gestures are really doing them a lot of good huh?

How about perhaps the most stone faced of coaches in the league, Bill Belichick? What's his deal? Somehow they win despite his lack of emotion.

I seriously don't know where people come up with this stuff sometimes.
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Well.... Here is a link to some pictures from another thread. Gibbs today and one with the SB trophy.

And you say he looks the same?

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ust-go-20.html (Im done....Gibbs must go.)

don't be a tool, don't compare a sideline picture to a superbowl victory picture behind a podium. gibbs looks the same on the sidelines now as he did in his superbowl years, not too excited when leading and not to nervous when trailing, just calm, always stay calm.
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Old 12-06-2006, 08:02 PM   #22
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Taking this back to the assistants - maybe we need some more clipboard throwing by Greg Blache.
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Throughout the season we’ve been debating Gibbs or Saunders. Can their philosophies coexist? Do their personalities clash? Should Gibbs take tighter control of the offense? Should we give Saunders his walking papers?

But let me throw this out here, are we talking about the wrong offensive coaches? Little things, like dropping passes, running tight routes, blocking, these are problems on a lower level of the offense. This is the stuff the position coaches should be working on right? This isn’t about scheme really this is about basic fundamentals.

So I guess my question is do our coaching problems really lie with coaches like Bill Lazor, Earnest Byner, and Stan Hixon and not the big picture guys (Saunders and Gibbs)

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My concern is with Lazor. When you have as much invested in a guy like JC, then why do you have someone with so little NFL experience in his ear all the time? I would go out and get someone who has a proven history with NFL QB's. Gibbs should know better. I wish they could have somehow kept Mustgrave around. Jim Fassel is also out there. Although I'm sure he has bigger things on his plate then being the Skins QB coach. But isn't Jack Burns and Don Bruex still on the staff? What the hell are they doing? Are they up in the box with Saunders? I don't see them on the sidelines. Just Lazor with Campbell all the time.
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Well.... Here is a link to some pictures from another thread. Gibbs today and one with the SB trophy.

And you say he looks the same?

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ust-go-20.html (Im done....Gibbs must go.)
Again, you're comparing apples to oranges. Anybody who is old enough to have witnessed Gibbs I will know that he has always had the same mannerisms back then as he does today. That's stretching it pretty fair to throw some flames at 'em.
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Old 12-06-2006, 10:11 PM   #25
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Taking this back to the assistants - maybe we need some more clipboard throwing by Greg Blache.
No, what he needs is some people that lose sleep over this team like he does. He needs people that bleed Redskins like he does. And this more than anything is the crux of what my complaint is.....I think Joe Gibbs needs more Joe Gibbs' and less titles running around Redskins Park.

Here's a man that left a mulit-million dollar enterprise to try to resuscitate a failing franchise.

Just to draw a contrast between him and Gregg Williams, for instance, Williams has allowed no less than five starters to leave under his watch. Joe Gibbs, on the other hand, holds onto a guy buried on the depth chart like Taylor Jacobs, and a very mediocre kicker like Nick Novak(twice) until the bitter end. The only reason Lav Coles is gone is because he more or less flat out said I want out.

That's not an indictment, but it shows his loyalty.

"But 12th, just yesterday you voted that Gibbs couldn't right the ship."
It sounds like you've changed your mind. If you must call me on the carpet, read everything I've said.

I don't think we have a personnel problem, I think we have a coaching staff problem. I'm actually crazy enought to believe we could field the very same team that will suit up against Philly in four days, and win with that exact line up next year. Yep, the same bunch to a man.

So, we'll see I guess. Okay, I'm off my soap box.
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Well.... Here is a link to some pictures from another thread. Gibbs today and one with the SB trophy.

And you say he looks the same?

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ust-go-20.html (Im done....Gibbs must go.)
What does a picture of him smiling at a parade with the SB trophy have to do with his sideline behavior...talk about apples and oranges. Who doesn't smile with the Super Bowl trophy in their hands?
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:55 AM   #27
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The biggest chef of them all on the sideline isnt doing his job effectively. Gibbs is the head chef, AS and GW are his sous chefs, and the others are prep cooks. The structure can work if the head chef creates the dishes and the guys under him prepare the meals.
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The biggest chef of them all on the sideline isnt doing his job effectively. Gibbs is the head chef, AS and GW are his sous chefs, and the others are prep cooks. The structure can work if the head chef creates the dishes and the guys under him prepare the meals.
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I think it's a bit lame to keep blaming Gibbs. Don't get me wrong, he is definitely the one that is ultimately responsible and he is always the first to admit that.

But, the guys under him are very experienced and 3 of them have been head coaches in this league at some point. It's certainly fair to point some fingers at the guys below him. Gibbs has delegated a lot of responsibility to them and I don't think we can say that they have come through with their end of the deal.

Again, everything does ultimately fall back on the head guy. But that certainly doesn't absolve everyone else from sharing in the blame. Coaches and players alike.
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