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Old 12-06-2006, 06:49 PM   #1
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Is Scott Pioli available after the season?

I have not been able to find any information on the net other than Pioli's contract was set to expire after the 2006 draft.

Does anyone know if he signed a long term extension with the Patriots?

If not is there any way the Redskins can get him?
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Old 12-06-2006, 07:28 PM   #2
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Re: Is Scott Pioli available after the season?

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Yep, just have Snyder write the check and he's ours... Not so sure that's a good thing...

You wouldn't take Pioli over the braintrust currently at Redskin Park?

One thing is for sure though is if Pioli or another proven GM came here - I would only want him if he was given assurance that Dan Synder would not be involved in any way in football personelle operations other than to sign his name on the dotted line when Pioli/the unnamed professional GM tells him.

How did Synder get all the money before buying the Redskins - he outbids himself for free agents like Archuletta!
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Old 12-06-2006, 07:37 PM   #3
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Re: Is Scott Pioli available after the season?

I really don't think Gibbs would be so willing to cede control of picking players. It's what he wants to do
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Re: Is Scott Pioli available after the season?

I think all this GM talk is premature. Things are going to stay the same around Ashburn until Gibbs leaves. He likes Vinny. And what Joe wants he gets.
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Re: Is Scott Pioli available after the season?

I wouldn't rule anything out with Gibbs. After all, he did give up control of the offense which is still pretty surprising when you think about it. If he thinks it would help, I'm sure he would consider it. That's the question though, does he see the current front office setup as a problem? Probably not.
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I wouldn't rule anything out with Gibbs. After all, he did give up control of the offense which is still pretty surprising when you think about it. If he thinks it would help, I'm sure he would consider it. That's the question though, does he see the current front office setup as a problem? Probably not.
And he's probably kicking himself for it! But, at least he can show people that although his offense wasn't great and too conservatives (as what I heard over and over again last year) at least he's proved that it can work and probably would've worked just fine again this year with our current talent.
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Old 12-06-2006, 09:58 PM   #7
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I wouldn't rule anything out with Gibbs. After all, he did give up control of the offense which is still pretty surprising when you think about it. If he thinks it would help, I'm sure he would consider it. That's the question though, does he see the current front office setup as a problem? Probably not.
I think the difference though is this. Joe Gibbs has nothing to prove anymore as a coach. People know he can lead a team to greatness on the field. He's done it numerous times and has proven to be one of the best in history at that. So him ceding control of calling plays, yeah it's a big deal but then again it's not really. But the jury is still out (though most have already cast their ballots "No") on whether he can put together a great team, particularly one that someone else could lead down the road. Gibbs is a great, loyal man and all that but remember he's also a competitor. And I think the competitor in him wants to show that he can have the same success putting together a team as he does leading a team. I really don't see Gibbs going the way of Holmgren and saying "Ok, I'll just go back to coaching only."
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Old 12-06-2006, 10:09 PM   #8
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Re: Is Scott Pioli available after the season?

Let's see...
  • Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...
  • Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...
  • Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...
  • Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...
  • Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...
  • Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...
  • Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?
  • The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.

If Joe Gibbs 'the GM' cannot see what sort of a wreck this team's personnel shape is in, then perhaps we have overestimated him.
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Old 12-06-2006, 10:42 PM   #9
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Let's see...
  • Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...
  • Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...
  • Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...
  • Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...
  • Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...
  • Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...
  • Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?
  • The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.

If Joe Gibbs 'the GM' cannot see what sort of a wreck this team's personnel shape is in, then perhaps we have overestimated him.
Just to address these specifically.

-I think, just speculation, the reason they traded for Brunell instead of waiting for him to be released was to get him to camp before June

-I didn't and still don't have a problem overall with this deal

-El and Lloyd: I like that we went after two receivers, though I don't know these are the two we needed to go after. I think El is on a higher level overall than Thrash, Betts, or Cartwright, but-while I like Lloyd-I would have preferred a Jurevicius to counter what El and Moss bring to the table. As far as the money portion of it, I don't know how much say Gibbs has over that part of it really.

-The Duckett move still baffles me, especially with news that Betts will most likely be returning next year

-Philosophically I don't have a problem with the move-getting a player now and sitting him on the bench for a year. I don't think a draft pick needs to play right away. I think the mistake was in who they acquired. I would have rather they went after a lineman like a Winston Justice or a Marcus McNeill (again, realizing they wouldn't play in 2006).

-I just don't know what to say about the Archuleta fiasco...sigh
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Re: Is Scott Pioli available after the season?

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I think the difference though is this. Joe Gibbs has nothing to prove anymore as a coach. People know he can lead a team to greatness on the field. He's done it numerous times and has proven to be one of the best in history at that. So him ceding control of calling plays, yeah it's a big deal but then again it's not really. But the jury is still out (though most have already cast their ballots "No") on whether he can put together a great team, particularly one that someone else could lead down the road. Gibbs is a great, loyal man and all that but remember he's also a competitor. And I think the competitor in him wants to show that he can have the same success putting together a team as he does leading a team. I really don't see Gibbs going the way of Holmgren and saying "Ok, I'll just go back to coaching only."
Good post. I don't think Gibbs wants to have a boss.
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Re: Is Scott Pioli available after the season?

Some moves haven't panned out as expected this year. But these guys aren't going to just be here for one year (well maybe Archuleta). Next season we could easily be praising some of these moves such as Lloyd and McIntosh.
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Re: Is Scott Pioli available after the season?

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Let's see...
  • Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...
  • Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...
  • Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...
  • Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...
  • Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...
  • Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...
  • Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?
  • The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.

If Joe Gibbs 'the GM' cannot see what sort of a wreck this team's personnel shape is in, then perhaps we have overestimated him.
This is a good post, and I agree with everything except the last item.

We have a decent young core on defense with Taylor, Washington, and Rogers (hopefully more from him) -- and we can use our 1st pick for a legit DE. The rest of the guys are getting old, but Griffin will be a force for a while longer.

As for offensive personnel -- it's fine, with the exception of OL depth. That can be fixed relatively easily.

Overall, I think we can solve our problems and get back on track next season -- even after all the mistakes that you outlined.

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Old 12-08-2006, 12:25 PM   #13
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Just to address these specifically.

-I think, just speculation, the reason they traded for Brunell instead of waiting for him to be released was to get him to camp before June

When did they sign Brunell? It was in March wasn't it? So how many OTAs and minicamps would he have missed by not being here until June? Either way, losing a 3rd round choice for extra couple of weeks or so with the playbook is awfully expensive, especially for a veteran who's seen his fair share of playbooks.
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When did they sign Brunell? It was in March wasn't it? So how many OTAs and minicamps would he have missed by not being here until June? Either way, losing a 3rd round choice for extra couple of weeks or so with the playbook is awfully expensive, especially for a veteran who's seen his fair share of playbooks.
Well he would have missed several wouldn't he? Plus remember since Gibbs was a "new" coach that year the Redskins got extra mini-camps per league rules. Personally, I liked the move to get Brunell though I think they may have been a bit too aggressive in their pursuit. I was just saying I think that was their line of thinking
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I think the difference though is this. Joe Gibbs has nothing to prove anymore as a coach. People know he can lead a team to greatness on the field. He's done it numerous times and has proven to be one of the best in history at that. So him ceding control of calling plays, yeah it's a big deal but then again it's not really. But the jury is still out (though most have already cast their ballots "No") on whether he can put together a great team, particularly one that someone else could lead down the road. Gibbs is a great, loyal man and all that but remember he's also a competitor. And I think the competitor in him wants to show that he can have the same success putting together a team as he does leading a team. I really don't see Gibbs going the way of Holmgren and saying "Ok, I'll just go back to coaching only."
great post. I would agree but See T. Boswell's article from today's washpost, says Gibbs is open to hiring a gm.
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