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Old 12-07-2006, 12:17 AM   #16
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Re: What type of offense do you like to see?

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so basically a maddeon 07 offense?
I guess I am playing a bit too much madden. On rookie mode. With a custom team. All created characters as myself. 99's in everything. And I'm the head coach. And I save all the replays, and watch them before I go to bed.

j/k... but i used to do that kind of stuff back in the day. good times.
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Old 12-07-2006, 12:22 AM   #17
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Back in the day Gibbs offense did run alot, but they passed too, and they always finished off teams(see the scores of games from those season, most are like 40-10). That doesnt seem like a team that just runs all the time.
Well, that's true to a certain point, but they did finish alot of teams off by being ball controlled. Alot of those blow outs came from them scoring early and often, but the difference is that those teams had continuity....the offensive line had been together for years! In my opinion, that is the key to a great offense...develop a solid offensive line that is together for more than three seasons.
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Old 12-07-2006, 12:27 AM   #18
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Re: What type of offense do you like to see?

Actually Rob you're probably not too far off from what Al Saunders wanted to do with this offense. He wanted it to be unpredictable...hence the reason why he doesn't like to call the same play twice in on game...or heck in several games. It does make it hard for the other teams to prepare. The only problem is, our offense just wasn't to the point where it could execute every play he pulls out of his playbook. I believe the lesson to be learned is, we do have to establish an identity and this offense needs to learn what it can do best within Saunders' scheme. I think once that happens, then you can slowly work that sense of unpredictablity into the mix.
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Old 12-07-2006, 12:36 AM   #19
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Actually Rob you're probably not too far off from what Al Saunders wanted to do with this offense. He wanted it to be unpredictable...hence the reason why he doesn't like to call the same play twice in on game...or heck in several games. It does make it hard for the other teams to prepare. The only problem is, our offense just wasn't to the point where it could execute every play he pulls out of his playbook. I believe the lesson to be learned is, we do have to establish an identity and this offense needs to learn what it can do best within Saunders' scheme. I think once that happens, then you can slowly work that since of unpredictablity into the mix.
Yeah, I was talking to my Physics professor about the redskins today after class. He kept saying how the redskins of old would be ready for the team to try and adjust to them.

He went on to say that teams would come out and when something didn't work, they tried to switch strategies, but Gibbs was always prepared. It was almost like he could see the future and know what was coming. He argued that possibly Gibbs was getting old (I noted the complexity of modern offenses), but then he mentioned Dallas with man boobs finally starting to have some success.

Finally I ended it with comparing Gibbs to Vermeil, who had success with KC, with Saunders as his OC as well. We agreed on some hope there, and both think that not building through the draft was a mistake.

Hopefully we'll play our cards right for next season... I don't even remember the last Superbowl. :-(

I want to still be in school for the next one (2 more years)... Crossing my fingers.
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Old 12-07-2006, 12:47 AM   #20
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Re: What type of offense do you like to see?

I love to see an offense that eats up clock and pounds away at the defense and totally has controll, if they want to pass they will pass, if the want to run they will run, reverse if needed, hell the QB could run to his own enzone tap the line and run back and still move the ball. thats the offense i like to see
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:15 AM   #21
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I like an offense that scores more points than the defense allows.
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:20 AM   #22
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I would like to see a mis-direction, power running, play-action type of offense. An offense that could pass, run and play-action out of the same formation, so that the deffense whould have to honor all three or we could catch them out of position. Basicly, do not let our formations give away what the offense wants to do. Also, I would like to see an offense that excutes near perfection.
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Old 12-07-2006, 08:44 AM   #23
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The most important thing is to tailor your offensive approach to the strengths of your personnel. Our O line is big and strong but not that fast, ergo they are built for smashmouth ball control football, or whatever you want to call it. We saw this year what happens when you try to implement a new offensive system without custom fitting it to the personel on the field - disaster.

This was the beef I always had with Spurrier. He wanted to see if his system worked in the NFL and didn't care if had the players to execute it or not. Same thing with Saunders. Bellicheck is obviously the gold standard of coaches. What have you seen in NE is an offense that has evolved from season to season, and even from week to week. SD is an example this year of a coach changing his approach based on his roster. There are a million other examples.

So what do I like to see? I agree with Spurrier. My favorite play is touchdown.
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Old 12-07-2006, 10:19 AM   #24
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I like to see an offense that is based on the run, but when they throw, they take shots down the football field. That's why I didn't like the crap that was going on with Brunell where every play was taking place within 8 yards of the line of scrimmage. I like watching highlights of the Skins running and then Rypien gunning down the field in 91. That's what they need. Teams at least have to respect the deep ball. Then, everything would be more effective. An offense has to be unpredictable now. It can't be "they know what's coming, they just can't stop it." That doesn't happen anymore. Teams are too good, too fast and do too much research. Offenses have to be unpredictable and that means having a balance.
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Old 12-07-2006, 10:38 AM   #25
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Re: What type of offense do you like to see?

Sellers and Duckett in the backfield, Moss and Lloyd/ARE split wide. Duckett runs, Sellers blocks then Sellers runs and Duckett blocks. Safeties sneak in to support the run D. Wideouts go deep on post patterns and Campbell lets it fly.

Replace with Portis as you see fit once he's healthy and happy.
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Old 12-07-2006, 10:51 AM   #26
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One that scores points would be fine by me.
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Old 12-07-2006, 11:08 AM   #27
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Re: What type of offense do you like to see?

give me an offense that runs the ball and hogs the time on the clock and wears defense down then once they strat ganging up on the run hit them deep.
smashmouth football...
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Old 12-07-2006, 11:23 AM   #28
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Re: What type of offense do you like to see?

I want to run that good ole Gibbs offense! Meaning I want to pound the run game, and go deep with play action. I love Al Saunders and I think he's a great offensive coordinator, but Joe Gibbs is a Super Bowl championship(s) coordinator, which is totally different. I think Saunders has helped Gibbs with catching up to todays pass schemes, and for that I'm sure Gibbs is greatful. But now I think Joe Gibbs understands what defenses are doing and it's time to bring back his Super Bowl mind.
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Old 12-07-2006, 11:29 AM   #29
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Re: What type of offense do you like to see?

I would like to see a combination of the Joe Gibbs power football offense and Al Saunders offense when he was in KC. I feel once the offense gets used to the nuances of Saunders system you will see it work. Both Gibbs and Saunders have a very balanced system, just look at the history of both.

I believe now that we have JC starting you will see the offense improve through the remainder of the games.
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Old 12-07-2006, 11:39 AM   #30
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The most important thing is to tailor your offensive approach to the strengths of your personnel. Our O line is big and strong but not that fast, ergo they are built for smashmouth ball control football, or whatever you want to call it.
I agree with you! I guess that is why we go back to the argument of player selection. It's not always the scheme, but you gotta have the right type of players to run the scheme, and it's won and lost in the trenches. It doesn't really matter how good your other guys are on offense...QB, WRs, RBs. If the offensive line isn't getting it, then the offense can't be successful. That is the main problem with the Cardinals. They have talent at the other positions, but no offensive line. At least for us, we do have a good offensive line that is built for smashmouth football. That is why, normally, we win when we run the football more than passing. So, in this instance, it's not necessarily the fact that Saunders' offense doesn't work in Washington, nor that the personnel - QB, RB, and WRs don't fit into the system, but that it requires more athletic offensive linemen up front.

I guess the whole moral to the story is, we need to upgrade our linemen if we want to open up the offense more. Maybe have our current linemen in on heavy jumbo.
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