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View Poll Results: What Position Is Our Most Pressing Need?
CB 42 40.00%
S 5 4.76%
DE 32 30.48%
DT 15 14.29%
LB 8 7.62%
OT 1 0.95%
OG 1 0.95%
K 1 0.95%
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:30 PM   #46
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A few weeks ago I was thinking that we should replace Dockery but lately I've been watching him more and he's actually having a very good season. I'd like to see us re-sign him and keep the starting 5 in place for a few more seasons.
Without a doubt. Our line is beast.

People are giving too much credit to Ladell Betts. He is nothing more than an average RB. He doesn't have blazing speed, doesn't have crazy elusiveness. He hits holes really hard and decisively. Lately, the holes have been the size of the Grand Canyon. The running game credit should go more to the line than to Betts, IMO.
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:47 PM   #48
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I still think we need more production out of the unit. Dockery may not be back anyway, but we have a lot of money wrapped up in the other 4, and although I think that Rabach is the main culprit, Dockery is the most easily replacable. When I answered the poll question, I was talking about getting a really good player in there, not some serviceable guard.

I think Docks value is underestimated on this line. He's not spectacular, but he's a good lineman. Trust me, he could walk and get some money in the league.

I'd be very surprised if we didn't lock him up real soon.
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:48 PM   #49
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Why is Greg Williams not taking more heat for letting Ryan Clark and Walt Harris go? AA was a total bust and now we're back to square one. I still really think Springs is our best corner all around. Did anyone see the way he shut down Steve Smith??? The only TD was the most lucky throw and catch I've ever seen. Not sure what the heck is up with Rogers hands. If you all remember he dropped a sure INT against the Seahawks in the playoffs last year that may have put them away for good. What happened to that D who knocked Alexander unconscious and beat the crap out the the Seahawks???????
Well, if memory serves me correctly, LaVar put that pop on Alexander.
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:51 PM   #50
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In our defensive system, we don't want DEs who are purely pass rushers. Guys like KGB or Derrick Burgess are not what Gregg Williams wants. It's more important that they play the run well; if they can rush the passer on top of it, then that's gravy.

Grilliams likes to stop the run on first down and force teams into 2nd & longs & 3rd & longs. Then with a stud secondary to limit QB's options, he can feel free to blitz LBs all day long.

His system means the following:
Priority 1: Shut-down secondary (that's intimidating and hard hitting in run support).
Priority 2: Run-stopping D-Line.
Priority 3: Flexibility at the LB position (they should be able to drop into coverage, tackle well, and blitz their ass off).

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Wynn, Daniels, and Carter are good ends for our system, especially with Carter coming on as of late. Daniels is stout against the run, but he's not fully healthy right now. We don't want a DE.

We are in desperate need of a CB to help shut down WRs. Springs is old, Rogers does not look like a budding #1 at this point, and Kenny Wright is old and marginal.

We are also in desperate need of a SS. Adam Archuleta was a dismal failure and he's never going to be good enough in coverage. He's only useful in spot blitz duty. We must admit that we need to address SS badly. The SS must cover well, communicate well with Taylor, and hit like a ton of bricks.

We need a DT pretty bad. Griffin is still stout, but Golston is undersized. Golston makes quick pass-rushing moves, but does not clog the middle well enough.

We could use an upgrade at LB, but it's not the biggest priority.

My simple answer is CB.
You bring up some pretty good points. But I think if you had to choose between a raw corner and a raw DE, I'll take the DE all day long.

The learning curve is steeper at corner for new comers in the NFL. Which begs to question, if we go after a seasoned corner in FA, how much younger will he be than Springs?
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:54 PM   #52
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Why is Greg Williams not taking more heat for letting Ryan Clark and Walt Harris go? AA was a total bust and now we're back to square one. I still really think Springs is our best corner all around. Did anyone see the way he shut down Steve Smith??? The only TD was the most lucky throw and catch I've ever seen. Not sure what the heck is up with Rogers hands. If you all remember he dropped a sure INT against the Seahawks in the playoffs last year that may have put them away for good. What happened to that D who knocked Alexander unconscious and beat the crap out the the Seahawks???????
I never understood why we let Ryan Clark leave, I thought he worked real well with ST. Harris I could understand, he was getting toasted for us in 2005, Rogers stepped in for him and played well. Nobody could see Walt Harris coming back like he has.

Springs didn't really shut down Steve Smith all by his lonesome. On most plays we put ST over the top of Smith, doubling him. But yeah, Springs is still a good CB. It's just that he's old and isn't going to get any better. We need a young'n to come in and be THE GUY once Springs leaves, because I don't think Rogers is a #1. He's a good #2.

My assessment of the D is this basically:

Springs got hurt, Rogers regressed a bit, and Wright was marginal at filling in. This was compounded by the awful Archuleta signing. He can't cover at all, and Taylor was lost with him in there. The CBs had a bit of trouble, and the safeties weren't there to help them out.

Without a secondary, Grilliams had no confidence in them and consequently basically stopped blitzing. Plus, Salave'a hasn't been as good at stopping the run this season, and Golston is undersized, so opposing RBs are getting 4 yards on 1st down relatively easily.

Our LB corps is fine, IMO. If we secure the secondary and shore up the D-line at the DT position, we'll have what it takes to stop the run on first down and then blitz from 2nd and 3rd & longs.

Golston was a nice find, but he shouldn't be more than a rotation guy. We need a shut down CB, a jack-of-all-trades SS, and a hole-clogging DT.
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A big ass DT would clog up the line of scrimmage. You remember in 2000 when Tony Siragusa was with the Ravens? He would clog up the line so bad, it freed Ray Lewis up to have an AMAZING season. Our LBs are getting taken out of the equation because we don't have the DTs this year.

Salave'a was very stout against the run in 2004 and 2005. Our LBs like Washington and Marshall were able to flow to the ball. But Salave'a's legs have been hurt this year, and Golston can't clog the line well enough, he weighs less than 300 lbs.

Put a big ass DT on that line, and all of a sudden we'll all be saying "hey, Marcus Washington is good again!"

Marcus is still the same player. He didn't suddenly forget how to play football. Just got to give him help up front.
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We need a shut down CB, a jack-of-all-trades SS, and a hole-clogging DT.
Well, we're only a million under the cap, and the shopping list you just presented works out to.... hold on, let me crunch the numbers.... 21 million... no problem, fire up Redskin One and let's get going.
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Lets look at what the Redskins have difficulty doing on defense and that will tell you what their biggest need is. The Redskins do not put pressure on the opposing quarterback with their front four. Usually the only time they get to the quarterback is by blitzing linebackers, safeties or corners. No pressure on the quarterback allows the quarterback time to pick out receivers and allows receivers to run complex patterns putting extreme pressure on your secondary. With a pass rush, the secondary doesn't have to cover as well and it forces the quarterback to make hasty decision, i.e. throw interceptions. Oh...that leads to the second biggest problem with the defense, lack of turnovers. No pass rush, no sacks and fumbles, no rushed throws and interceptions. It keeps coming back to putting pressure on the quarterback with your front four, the good teams do it. The Redskins have not had an impact defensive end in years...over ten years. They need a Julius Peppers or Shawn Merriman bad, two years ago.
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A big ass DT would clog up the line of scrimmage. You remember in 2000 when Tony Siragusa was with the Ravens? He would clog up the line so bad, it freed Ray Lewis up to have an AMAZING season. Our LBs are getting taken out of the equation because we don't have the DTs this year.

Salave'a was very stout against the run in 2004 and 2005. Our LBs like Washington and Marshall were able to flow to the ball. But Salave'a's legs have been hurt this year, and Golston can't clog the line well enough, he weighs less than 300 lbs.

Put a big ass DT on that line, and all of a sudden we'll all be saying "hey, Marcus Washington is good again!"

Marcus is still the same player. He didn't suddenly forget how to play football. Just got to give him help up front.
Agreed, and over the last two days, you've changed by opinion from "we need to draft a DE" to "we need to draft a DT." I still believe that we need to inject some youth at the DE position, but anchoring DEs can be found on the draft's second day. Also, we are pretty much stuck with Carter at the RE now and IMO he doesnt really fit in to Grilliams' scheme, although he can be a decent player for us for years.

I think we should scour free agency for a shutdown corner, but if we don't find one, we might as well stick with what we have. Sure it's risky to look the thing that killed you this season right in the eye and say that it can't screw you two years in a row, but if Nate Clements slips through our fingers, who are we going to bring in that would be an upgrade to Shawn Springs?
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I said DE, without question.

I would give Carlos one more year before giving up on him. I think if this guy can focus on catching his stock will go way up. The entire defense has had it's woes. Springs? I don't think he's old as some would suggest. He's what, 31-32 yrs old...his issue is staying healthy, not age at this point.

We need a DE to help create some pressure up front. Have you noticed how the Bears and Ravens get so many turnovers? Their secondary isn't full of pro bowlers, but they get in the QBs face and force errors.
I agree ! If the qb does not have time to look for his 3rd option , or set his feet and get comfortable he will not be as effective , and that will lead to more 3rd and longs and more turnovers.
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I did NOT know that, but I was talking more about the pressures, and I think that low sack total is due to Brunell getting the ball out of his hands quickly. We didnt give up a sack in multiple games this year, but that doesn't mean there wasn't consistent pressure all day.

Also with the holding penalties that we commit all time time, are those not sacks if we dont commit the penalty?
Yeah, I'd be curious to know how many times we were hurried
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Yeah, I'd be curious to know how many times we were hurried
Last year we were hurried more than any team in the NFL according to the Pro Football Prospectus.

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Page 284: 2006 Edition

Washington's interior linemen are big fans of holding. Center Casey Rabach was second in the league with eight holding penalties. Guard Derrick Dockery was right behind him with seven. All that holding didn't help the line keep the pass rush away from Mark Brunell; game charters marked Brunell with a hurried pass 128 times, the highest total in the league. The entire line, however, did an exceptional job at avoiding false starts. Washington's five starters were called for a false start only eight times all year. That's just two more than Santana Moss and Chris Cooley combined, and two fewer than Luke Petitigout all by himself.

Washington's run blocking improved substancially from 2004 to 2005. Some of that can be attributed to a full season from Jon Jansen, but a lot of the credit has to go to Washington's tight ends, H-backs, and fullbacks. The Redskins used a multiple TE formation on 47% of their offensive plays and ran out of that formation 58% of the time.
This year I have no idea.
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I think DE who can really get after the passer. To me that's been a glaring weakness for a long time. More pressure up front can make an average DB look a lot better.
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