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Old 07-01-2004, 04:46 AM   #16
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I also hazily remember reading an article about Snyder hiring this savvy media relations women who did a good job at mending fences between Snyder and the media, then he abruptly fired her and pissed some media people off, anyone else remember this?
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Old 07-01-2004, 08:27 AM   #17
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I also hazily remember reading an article about Snyder hiring this savvy media relations women who did a good job at mending fences between Snyder and the media, then he abruptly fired her and pissed some media people off, anyone else remember this?
Crisp met her, I believe - Joe?
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Old 07-01-2004, 08:38 AM   #18
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Well Said!

Daseal, that is a great take on LDS! You have to love the guy, even though he has cousin vinnie joined to his rear-end kissing it. Yeah, he's made moves, but all were made with the right intention, and some/many haven't panned out. That doesn't mean he won't hit the jackpot.

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I have been on Snyders side for quite some time. I remember taking a ton of heat during last season about it. Dan is willing to do whatever it takes to win. Did he make some mistakes? Yes. However everyone bitches we need a GM, we need a GM! Name one player, within our reach, that we haven't gotten. We've had strong drafts under Snyder for the most part, and he brought in one coach with tons of experience and a tradition of winning (who didn't do all so well) and now he's brought another in. I know that if Gibbs comes in and fails horribly people will once again start to bash Snyder even though he's giving Gibbs every chance in the world to win.

About the media being behind the Redskins. They are fairweather fans, hardcore. I remember listening to Elliott tell Spurrier "We're going to the Super Bowl!" and then by the end of the season ran a promo saying "The only morning show with a leader worse than Spurrier." Their alliance changes like the wind. Either way, I would much rather have Snyder who goes out and at least tries to improve the team than owners that sit on their wad of cash and don't do anything for the team.

Snyder spends the money and I can't think of anyone I'd rather have managing my cap (except of course Crazy Cannuck, because he'd give me the dreamteam!)

Snyder is a great owner and his legacy will be equal or the same as Jack Kent Cooke come the end of his reign as owner. I know people will flip out about that last statement, but Danny is extremely motivated and is very, very business savy.
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Old 07-01-2004, 10:12 AM   #19
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You can't argue that he doesn't care. He loves his team, and his intentions are always good. Patience is his weakness; its gotta be now now now... but I can't fault him at all this offseason... he's had a 4 year crash course in NFL market realities. I believe he's smart and will eventually figure it out, but it helps when you have someone to guide you through the first years and teach you how shit works Isn't that what they do with QBs??
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Good post, Daseal. I feel the same way. Elliott has gotten tiresome, especially with his sports coverage. That cackling laugh can only be funny for so long...

I'll say it now: If the Redskins have a big year this year, (10+ wins and playoffs), Dan Snyder will all of a sudden become the league's/media's golden boy. The Mark Cuban of the NFL, though not quite as flamboyant.
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Old 07-01-2004, 11:04 AM   #21
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cuban doesn't mind being on tv and making fun of himself though, i think danny does care about what people think of him and it shows. So i don't think he'll be as screen friendly as cuban, but i do think there will be a lot more love when wins start stacking up.
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Old 07-01-2004, 12:06 PM   #22
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I also hazily remember reading an article about Snyder hiring this savvy media relations women who did a good job at mending fences between Snyder and the media, then he abruptly fired her and pissed some media people off, anyone else remember this?
I definitely remember that. Snyder hired her to replace Karl Swanson, who apparently is a real ass and tends to burn lots of bridges. Her name was Julia Payne and she came from Clinton's press office. She apparently did a great job and mended lots of fences that Swanson had destroyed for years and years. Then Snyder decided that she was getting "too close" to the press and let her go, saying her "contract had ended" and that the were "not going to renew it". Snyder apparently lost a lot of respect from the press as well as internally to the organization for that move.

Here is an article (probably the one you remember) that gives the gory details. I read this too at the time and remember thinking that this woman got shafted hard for no reason...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...holm081503.htm
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Old 07-01-2004, 12:44 PM   #23
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Daseal, that is a great take on LDS! You have to love the guy, even though he has cousin vinnie joined to his rear-end kissing it. Yeah, he's made moves, but all were made with the right intention, and some/many haven't panned out. That doesn't mean he won't hit the jackpot.



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Old 07-01-2004, 02:18 PM   #24
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I definitely remember that. Snyder hired her to replace Karl Swanson, who apparently is a real ass and tends to burn lots of bridges. Her name was Julia Payne and she came from Clinton's press office. She apparently did a great job and mended lots of fences that Swanson had destroyed for years and years. Then Snyder decided that she was getting "too close" to the press and let her go, saying her "contract had ended" and that the were "not going to renew it". Snyder apparently lost a lot of respect from the press as well as internally to the organization for that move.

Here is an article (probably the one you remember) that gives the gory details. I read this too at the time and remember thinking that this woman got shafted hard for no reason...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...holm081503.htm
I never actually got to meet Julia while she was working for the Redskins (she had been fired just a day or two before I arrived there for training camp last year), but she went to high school with my older brother and sister, and my sister said Julia was always known as a real sweetheart, just a very friendly and cheerful person. Apparently she's one of those rare people whose bright personalities just rub off on everyone who is in their presence.

I recall things being rather somber around the media room and among the staff that week, but I didn't know why until my sister (who was at camp with me, serving as my photographer) told me she had spoken with one of the staffers and was told of Payne's firing.

I wish I had been around Redskins Park while she was still working there, just so I could see the contrast in the atmosphere between then and now. I can tell you, however, that the relationship between the media that spend a lot of time at Redskins Park, and the Swanson-led PR department is very frigid. Think mid-'80s Cold War... Iron Curtain... Berlin Wall... yep, it's that bad.
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Old 07-01-2004, 04:17 PM   #25
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I have been on Snyders side for quite some time. I remember taking a ton of heat during last season about it. Dan is willing to do whatever it takes to win. Did he make some mistakes? Yes. However everyone bitches we need a GM, we need a GM! Name one player, within our reach, that we haven't gotten. We've had strong drafts under Snyder for the most part, and he brought in one coach with tons of experience and a tradition of winning (who didn't do all so well) and now he's brought another in. I know that if Gibbs comes in and fails horribly people will once again start to bash Snyder even though he's giving Gibbs every chance in the world to win.


Snyder is a great owner and his legacy will be equal or the same as Jack Kent Cooke come the end of his reign as owner. I know people will flip out about that last statement, but Danny is extremely motivated and is very, very business savy.
I agree that Snyder is very business savvy. But he is below average in football matters, the proof is in our 5-11 record last season. I've been on him to hire a GM because an experienced GM could have guided him through all these hiccups we've had the past 5 years.

The simple fact of the matter is that winning franchises have stability. Now Snyder has opted against hiring a GM, instead believing that his "business savvy" and Vinny Cerrato would be the best course for the franchise. Look all the things that Gibbs is supposed to be bringing, leadership, respect, discipline, are not things that only Joe Gibbs has. But amazingly it has taken us four years to find a coach with those traits, why? No GM or alternate voice in the FO to debate with Snyder on Matt Bowen, or Trung Canidate or even Chad Morton.

JKC's legacy is going to be mighty hard for DS to reach. I have no doubt that Gibbs will win with us, he's too good not to. But 5 coaches in 5 years, Spurrier failing miserably, yelling at a coach for 30 minutes after a tough loss, that is Snyders legacy.

And I can't think of a single draft under Snyder that we can call strong. You need a GM to find those late round gems, to negotiate contracts so that everyone doesn't hit the big money years at the same time. Is Snyder learning, yes. But even if they win the Super Bowl this year, I'm still going to believe that we'd be best served by having a GM. That would free Gibbs up to coach football, what he does best, and free Snyder up to make deals, what he does best. I think it's win-win, because right now it's 5-11.
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Old 07-02-2004, 01:01 AM   #26
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You said it yourself, he can't have stability with only a 5 year tenure. He's feeling things out and has made huge strides if you look at his moves from just 3 years ago and his moves of today. I think Snyder needs adequate time to get into his comfort zone, when he's there we'll see stability.

Maybe not the strongest "drafts" in the world. However Coles is my top first round draft pick, Ramsey was a huge addition, Betts, Royal (who I think has a lot of pass-catching talent), Taylor, Morton, Portis, Hall, Washington, etc. ALl acquired via draft picks. He uses his draft picks to get established players. Sounds like a genius idea to me.
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