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Old 12-24-2006, 04:38 PM   #1
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Is this driving anyone else insane? The commentators bringing up these completely pointless stats, there is now a stat for everything. ex. (first qb to throw for a 25 yard gain in the last minute of the third quarter in four consecutive games since 1985).
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Is this driving anyone else insane? The commentators bringing up these completely pointless stats, there is now a stat for everything. ex. (first qb to throw for a 25 yard gain in the last minute of the third quarter in four consecutive games since 1985).
Haha. I'm just glad I'm not the poor soul being tasked with keeping track of stuff like that.
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I thought this thread was gonna be about guys racking up yards and a couple touchdowns before waiting for the opportune time to fumble the game away...
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I thought this thread was gonna be about guys racking up yards and a couple touchdowns before waiting for the opportune time to fumble the game away...
Hey, can you change your title from Brunell Hater to Betts Hater so we can get it out of our system? Seeing as how Mark isn't here to scapegoat the losses on anymore, it's the least you can do...
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Hey, can you change your title from Brunell Hater to Betts Hater so we can get it out of our system? Seeing as how Mark isn't here to scapegoat the losses on anymore, it's the least you can do...
How does someone change that title anyway? I was wondering how to do that. Thanks for the help.
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How does someone change that title anyway? I was wondering how to do that. Thanks for the help.
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Is this driving anyone else insane? The commentators bringing up these completely pointless stats, there is now a stat for everything. ex. (first qb to throw for a 25 yard gain in the last minute of the third quarter in four consecutive games since 1985).
I agree, it's a pain in the ass.

To accurately use stats to understand football, one must sift through the ones that have no outcome on the game.

Hey Stacks, did you know that teams that kneel the ball 3 or more times during the course of a game win more than 99% of the time? Man, the Redskins should really consider taking more knees....

Pretty much any time a stat includes "if such team does this...then they will win X % of the time"....you can be pretty confident its a bad stat. I mean, there are some examples of the above that have basis in reality such as avoiding/creating turnovers, and scoring in the redzone, but those are just obvious ones. And then you get into what consitutes a turnover. Technically if a team drives down the field into the opponents territory, and fumble inside the redzone, thats a turnover, whereas going 3 and out from your own 20 and punting to give field position to the opposition at midfield is NOT a turnover, however clearly worse for your team.

It's all about finding the stats that correlate to success.
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Hey, can you change your title from Brunell Hater to Betts Hater so we can get it out of our system? Seeing as how Mark isn't here to scapegoat the losses on anymore, it's the least you can do...
Seriously...I'm skeptical of Betts. I don't know why he doesn't get any of the blame after he blew a chance to win a football game. Yeah, the D did too, how many times do I have to say that? But let's get real, you have 2 minutes on the clock, you're driving into the opponents territory, you break a run that Clinton would have scored on because he has breakaway speed, but you get run down and then proceed to put it on the ground. Was it a nice punch at the ball? Yeah. However, should you have expected it? Yeah, you probably should have. That fumble ties you for third in the league. (yup I was wrong yesterday, but I was the only one saying about stats, too) Do I think he should get cut? No. Do I think he shouldn't play? No. Is he best option the Skins have right now? Yes. If Clinton fumbled that ball would I have said that Clinton fumbled the game away? You're damn right I would have. I'm one of the few consistent people on this board. So because I think that Betts fumbling contributed to the loss (which it did) I all of a sudden Betts? No, I hate everyone's infatuation with him and the thought that the Skins are somehow better off with Ladell Betts at running back. Do I think the Skins win with Clinton in there yesterday? I don't have a clue, but I don't think he fumbles that ball.

So, all in all, shotty defense did lose that game, but I'm giving a big assist to Ladell Betts. He had a lot of yards and a couple TD's: very nice, but I'm not playing fantasy football, I wanna win games. You know when plays are made to win games? In the fourth quarter, not the early third. The Skins can't rely on that defense to hold any lead, especially not one against an offense like the Rams who can score TD's from any part of the field. Am I happy Betts fumbled? Not by any stretch of the imagination. I wish he had taken it to the house and they had crushed the Rams. However, he didn't and he did fumble the ball. That directly contributed to the loss of the football game. Does the loss hang solely on him? No. I've said that one million times. However, his stats, while pretty, seem pretty useless considering the biggest mistake of that game was made by him...
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Seriously...I'm skeptical of Betts. I don't know why he doesn't get any of the blame after he blew a chance to win a football game.
#1- no one is perfect.
#2- Betts single handedly has won us games.
#3- 80% of the league could have fumbled that ball...it was a perfect defensive move.
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#4- If we won, we lose out on a higher draft pick. If we win, we only hurt ourselves from here. So losing actually helps us. Not that we're cheering for a loss....oh wait, I'll try your approach:
Are we cheering for a loss? No.
Are the skins playing to lose? No.
Will the Skins get a higher draft pick when they lose? Yes.
Is anyone perfect? No.
Is answering every one of your questions annoying? YES.

Give Betts a break, it's his first full time RB gig. I don't see people going after Campbell's throat when he messes up either, because we all know there are growing pains involved. We all saw the fumble and all got pissed...but it's part of the process. You can't learn to win without learning to lose.
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Is this driving anyone else insane? The commentators bringing up these completely pointless stats, there is now a stat for everything. ex. (first qb to throw for a 25 yard gain in the last minute of the third quarter in four consecutive games since 1985).
I just learn to live with it. Take what you will from it. They provide the stats, it's up to us to interpret them. Some are completely useless, and some are beneficial to our assumptions and conclusions.
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#3- 80% of the league could have fumbled that ball...it was a perfect defensive move.
I disagree - had Betts put both hands on the ball, it probably wouldn't have come out. This is very basic technique for a RB in that situation (tie game, 2 minute drill, already have the first down): you do everything you can to protect the ball. Betts didn't. If he had and it still came out, then, yes, it would have been a perfect defensive move and you couldn't blame Betts for it.

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#4- If we won, we lose out on a higher draft pick. If we win, we only hurt ourselves from here. So losing actually helps us. Not that we're cheering for a loss....
I thought about posting something like this, but I just can't get that rational about the Skins. I want them to win every game, even if, somehow, it hurts us. It's a mentality I want to see in them, I guess. The only exception would be resting starters in a game that has no impact, but even that I'm not crazy about.
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I disagree - had Betts put both hands on the ball, it probably wouldn't have come out. This is very basic technique for a RB in that situation (tie game, 2 minute drill, already have the first down): you do everything you can to protect the ball. Betts didn't. If he had and it still came out, then, yes, it would have been a perfect defensive move and you couldn't blame Betts for it.
I agree to an extent, but it's hard to always do the right thing...he was getting grabbed and was twisted, so his arm came out. It happens to the best of them...it just happened at an inopportune time.


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I thought about posting something like this, but I just can't get that rational about the Skins. I want them to win every game, even if, somehow, it hurts us. It's a mentality I want to see in them, I guess. The only exception would be resting starters in a game that has no impact, but even that I'm not crazy about.
I will never ever cheer for a loss, I was pissed when he fumbled. That was just the hindsight fan in me.
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#1- no one is perfect.
#2- Betts single handedly has won us games.
#3- 80% of the league could have fumbled that ball...it was a perfect defensive move.
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#4- If we won, we lose out on a higher draft pick. If we win, we only hurt ourselves from here. So losing actually helps us. Not that we're cheering for a loss....oh wait, I'll try your approach:
Are we cheering for a loss? No.
Are the skins playing to lose? No.
Will the Skins get a higher draft pick when they lose? Yes.
Is anyone perfect? No.
Is answering every one of your questions annoying? YES.

Give Betts a break, it's his first full time RB gig. I don't see people going after Campbell's throat when he messes up either, because we all know there are growing pains involved. We all saw the fumble and all got pissed...but it's part of the process. You can't learn to win without learning to lose.

I really could give a damn whether or not you like way I went about writing that post. I was trying to cut people off before they continued to put words in my mouth. Now, in response to your post...trying to get a higher draft pick is a stupid reason to not care about losing football games. The Skins moved up in the draft? Awesome, now maybe they can get another gem like Carlos Rogers!

As for not being perfect, I never said I expected him to be. I do expect him to play smart football and put two hands on the ball with under 2 minutes in the fourth quarter and you're driving into your opponents territory. When I was playing pee wee football they used to tell running backs to put 2 hands on the ball. I don't expect perfection, I also don't expect a veteran player who gets a shot at starting to make rookie mistakes. I also didn't expect him to elevate himself to a level where he would fumble as frequently as anyone in the league. I don't expect perfection, I expect him to hang onto the ball a little more than he has been...

And also, name me a game he "single handedly" won.
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I agree to an extent, but it's hard to always do the right thing...he was getting grabbed and was twisted, so his arm came out. It happens to the best of them...it just happened at an inopportune time.




I will never ever cheer for a loss, I was pissed when he fumbled. That was just the hindsight fan in me.
See, these points I agree with. The play was good by Chavous, however, it wasn't perfect. Having a guy wrapped up and then punching at the football is not usually the best way to force a fumble. If someone else came over and stripped him, I would be taking it a lot easier on him. However, the situation being what it was, that was just poor techincal football from Betts. I'm sure it was a mental lapse, but he puts it on the ground kind of a lot. He needs to get better at it.

As for not cheering for a loss, I'm glad to hear. If the fans adopt an attitude where it's okay for the Skins to lose, then what the hell do we have to cheer for? And why would we even bother watching for that matter?
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Is this driving anyone else insane? The commentators bringing up these completely pointless stats, there is now a stat for everything. ex. (first qb to throw for a 25 yard gain in the last minute of the third quarter in four consecutive games since 1985).

So whats worse, pointless stats? or pointless commentary by Madden?

Sounds like a poll question to me... lol
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