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Old 12-28-2006, 11:44 AM   #16
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I agree w/ much of the article w/ the exception of B Lloyd. I guess I'm one of the one's defending him much of the time but I believe given the chance Lloyd could be a great #2. When thrown to, he makes the catch 99% of the time. When thrown to, good things happen like pass int. calls. How many times has he made some great downfield blocks? Alot.

Yea, he kind of blew up a little bit, but hey, he's pissed b/c we're losing and he can't do anything about it. We've barely threw the ball to him all year.

So to look at the #'s and say it's his fault is not looking at the full picture. Let's face it, right now and all season we haven't been able to spread the ball b/n the WR's. That's not bashing JC b/c he is learning, but it's the truth.
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Old 12-28-2006, 11:49 AM   #17
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I'm torn on Lloyd. He has playmaking abilities, but he seems to have run himself into the coaches' doghouse and that's not good. The question is how will he respond this offseason? Will he be motivated to bounce back or will he sulk his way outta D.C.? Or has a decision already been made on him?

We shall see.
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Old 12-28-2006, 11:51 AM   #18
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I pretty much give the team a pass on this year. Just as has been stated numerous times, this just wasn't the year. Injuries, new system, moves that should have been made earlier at QB and LB just weren't done. The defense just doesn't go to hell that quick after being top ten for two years. Let's look at who is producing and who isn't after about four games into next year, then we'll talk about who belongs.
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Old 12-28-2006, 11:53 AM   #19
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The problem is that we now have a D unit that's getting up their in age and only have 4 picks in the draft. As much as i like Daniels & Wynn, i think they are backups at best. So we need at least 2 lineman (starters), lb help (imo), at least 1 starter DB and a qualified nickelback all while losing a couple and restructuring a couple. That's alot to do in one offseason.

Can they do it? I guess. It would just be alot easier if we didn't throw around...waste draft picks. We only have 1 top pick, so that means one starter, you would think.
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Guess it depends on who's available, but a trade down for more picks could be a nice way to go.
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Old 12-28-2006, 11:58 AM   #21
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I pretty much give the team a pass on this year. Just as has been stated numerous times, this just wasn't the year. Injuries, new system, moves that should have been made earlier at QB and LB just weren't done. The defense just doesn't go to hell that quick after being top ten for two years. Let's look at who is producing and who isn't after about four games into next year, then we'll talk about who belongs.
I would like to chalk this up as an off year as well, but I still have my doubts about the staff.

The thing with this team is that no one doubts the talent level, it just seems we're always one injury or one this or one that from imploding.

You almost get the feeling almost everything has to be 'perfect' for this team to be a legit threat.
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Old 12-28-2006, 12:01 PM   #22
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ARE has not played up to the level of a #2 receiver. The Steelers did not even have him as there #2. I think that we brought him in to be a 3 and a punt returner but with Lloyd playing the way that he has played we had to promote him to 2.

The way that the NFL wheels and deals I am sure that there is a way to get another WR and get rid of a couple.The article stated that there will probably be a change there and Mike Espy certainly is not the answer. Sometimes you just have to eat some losses and this is probably one of those times. The front office made a HUGE mistake in their thinking last year and ESPN was talking about from day one of that deal. ARE is not a pure receiver and neither him nor Lloyd never put up the numbers to warrant those contracts.
I believe they did have him as their #2 once Burress left. He's made plays here, whether he's a 2 or 3. He doesn't get a lot of separation, but he catches the ball in traffic & we know he can run. I think we'll see him catch a lot more as JC improves, their timing has been off at times. On the other hand, they have hooked up on some big plays.
I'll agree that the contracts for ARE & Loyd were too big, especially for Loyd. I just don't see us being able to address reciever given the other needs we have & that we have 4 guys counting a substantial amount on the cap whether we keep them or not.
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Old 12-28-2006, 12:06 PM   #23
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I'm torn on Lloyd. He has playmaking abilities, but he seems to have run himself into the coaches' doghouse and that's not good. The question is how will he respond this offseason? Will he be motivated to bounce back or will he sulk his way outta D.C.? Or has a decision already been made on him?

We shall see.
I still hope he can turn it around, but whenever they show his routes in slow mo he either looks like he gives up on plays quickly or doesn't know where he's supposed to go & when he's supposed to look for the ball. I remember Brunell looking pissed at him once when he overthrew him & Loyd didn't seem to adjust at all. He doesn't look like a tough reciever to me, whereas I think the other guys we have are not afraid of contact & will go across the middle w/confidence. Loyd just looks too timid on some plays.
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Old 12-28-2006, 12:07 PM   #24
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I agree w/ much of the article w/ the exception of B Lloyd. I guess I'm one of the one's defending him much of the time but I believe given the chance Lloyd could be a great #2. When thrown to, he makes the catch 99% of the time. When thrown to, good things happen like pass int. calls. How many times has he made some great downfield blocks? Alot.

Yea, he kind of blew up a little bit, but hey, he's pissed b/c we're losing and he can't do anything about it. We've barely threw the ball to him all year.

So to look at the #'s and say it's his fault is not looking at the full picture. Let's face it, right now and all season we haven't been able to spread the ball b/n the WR's. That's not bashing JC b/c he is learning, but it's the truth.
Lloyd will probably be a good #2 to someone like Roy Williams of the Detroit Lions or Andre Johnson of the Houston Texans but to Santana Moss he is not a good #2 to because they are both doing the same things only on different sides of the field. They both just fly down the field and look up for the ball we need someone who can compliment our deep passes with a crossing pattern every now and then (and I am not talking about Cooley who is NOT a WR!!!!).
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:54 PM   #25
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archuletta could'nt cover me,so it's a tragedy if when he leaves,the door at redskin park does'nt hit him on his rear end when he leaves!
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Old 12-28-2006, 03:37 PM   #26
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I believe they did have him as their #2 once Burress left. He's made plays here, whether he's a 2 or 3. He doesn't get a lot of separation, but he catches the ball in traffic & we know he can run. I think we'll see him catch a lot more as JC improves, their timing has been off at times. On the other hand, they have hooked up on some big plays.
I'll agree that the contracts for ARE & Loyd were too big, especially for Loyd. I just don't see us being able to address reciever given the other needs we have & that we have 4 guys counting a substantial amount on the cap whether we keep them or not.
He was never a #2 at Pittsburgh and I am sorry but whether you can see it or not I can gaurantee you that there will be a change in our receivers next year. There is no way that anyone in there right mind will keep something together that is just not working. I mean it is just too simple to not understand that you can not play winning NFL football when all of your receivers are too small and can't catch passes across the middle because they are in fear of getting killed if they did. At least one of your receivers has to be used for the short passing game....NOOOOO not Cooley....COOLEY IS NOT A RECEIVER!!!!
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Old 12-28-2006, 05:05 PM   #27
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Lloyd will probably be a good #2 to someone like Roy Williams of the Detroit Lions or Andre Johnson of the Houston Texans but to Santana Moss he is not a good #2 to because they are both doing the same things only on different sides of the field. They both just fly down the field and look up for the ball we need someone who can compliment our deep passes with a crossing pattern every now and then (and I am not talking about Cooley who is NOT a WR!!!!).
Do we need a big receiver, I think so. But I do not think that is a top priority next year, and I don't think the receivers we have now will change. There are too many other problems in the defense to worry about receivers right now, plus we just spent too much money on them to not give them another chance with a year of experience under their belt in the new offense. In addition, Moss is not just a deep threat, he is very dangerous after he catches the ball short, we've all seen him make plays like that. In addition, he is surprisingly strong for his size. Remember this year in the Jaguars game when he scored the TD in OT, he had two Jaguars hit him before he broke free and scored. Also, last year in the 2nd giants game he had a big TD after breaking two tackles, the man is pretty versatile. I just think you're discounting Moss's skills a little bit.
Are you sure ARE was never a number 2 at Pittsburgh, who was it last year if it wasn't him? I'm pretty sure it was him, they drafted that guy Santonio Holmes from Ohio State to take his place, and I'm pretty sure he starts now.
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Old 12-28-2006, 05:25 PM   #28
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Do we need a big receiver, I think so. But I do not think that is a top priority next year, and I don't think the receivers we have now will change. There are too many other problems in the defense to worry about receivers right now, plus we just spent too much money on them to not give them another chance with a year of experience under their belt in the new offense. In addition, Moss is not just a deep threat, he is very dangerous after he catches the ball short, we've all seen him make plays like that. In addition, he is surprisingly strong for his size. Remember this year in the Jaguars game when he scored the TD in OT, he had two Jaguars hit him before he broke free and scored. Also, last year in the 2nd giants game he had a big TD after breaking two tackles, the man is pretty versatile. I just think you're discounting Moss's skills a little bit.
Are you sure ARE was never a number 2 at Pittsburgh, who was it last year if it wasn't him? I'm pretty sure it was him, they drafted that guy Santonio Holmes from Ohio State to take his place, and I'm pretty sure he starts now.
You are correct ARE was a starter for the Steelers last year he and Cedric Wilson split time. He is just not very productive and can not move the chains. We have too many deep receivers. I would like for our receivers NOT to have a good game every 3 to 4 games we need for someone to show up every game and we are just not getting that.

As far as the great catch that Santana made against the Jags he never broke any tackles the 2 guys basically ran into each other. I am not taking anything away from Moss, in fact,I am one of his biggest fans but it is a MUST that we get some size at that position THIS year by hook or by crook however we can get it it has to be done. The 3 and outs are killing us. I do not care what kind of defense we put together if they are on the field the majority of the game they are going to be worn out by the end of the end of the third quarter

Most fans love to see the deep passes but those passes are not high percentage ones and while they do have their places in games they should not be tried everytime a team passes. Defenses will pick up on that and we will start having games like the Rams game were our receivers were put totally on lock down.
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You are correct ARE was a starter for the Steelers last year he and Cedric Wilson split time. He is just not very productive and can not move the chains. We have too many deep receivers. I would like for our receivers NOT to have a good game every 3 to 4 games we need for someone to show up every game and we are just not getting that.

As far as the great catch that Santana made against the Jags he never broke any tackles the 2 guys basically ran into each other. I am not taking anything away from Moss, in fact,I am one of his biggest fans but it is a MUST that we get some size at that position THIS year by hook or by crook however we can get it it has to be done. The 3 and outs are killing us. I do not care what kind of defense we put together if they are on the field the majority of the game they are going to be worn out by the end of the end of the third quarter

Most fans love to see the deep passes but those passes are not high percentage ones and while they do have their places in games they should not be tried everytime a team passes. Defenses will pick up on that and we will start having games like the Rams game were our receivers were put totally on lock down.
I think you may be the only person on this site with such dersire to get another wide receiver, I understand where you're coming from, I'm not sure if I agree totally, but DAMNIT I respect your opinion! Rank the following from most important to least important for next year, everyone else please feel free to do this as well. Big receiver, CB, MLB, DL, and another over payed bench buddy for AA.
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I think you may be the only person on this site with such dersire to get another wide receiver, I understand where you're coming from, I'm not sure if I agree totally, but DAMNIT I respect your opinion! Rank the following from most important to least important for next year, everyone else please feel free to do this as well. Big receiver, CB, MLB, DL, and another over payed bench buddy for AA.
Ok here goes IMO:

I think that because the offense does not need much work we should sure it up/ make it complete by getting what it needs first because we are not going to have the draft picks nor cap space to completly fix the defense and too we are going to be working with a young QB and getting him better targets will only make HIM better

Secondly,by being on this forum, reading it's posts and looking at ESPN it is almost a given that Clements is probably coming to DC so him and Springs should make a good CB tandem. I think that Rogers should be used in nickle and dime packages (he was a draft day bust). With Clements and Springs at CB we can blitz one or both of our safties more aggresively while using Rogers as an extra coverage guy he would serve better than a safety in our coverage defense therfore our safties will not be getting burned like they were this year on the deep pass and can help the run defense . AA can stay, learn the defense and use his God gifted skills and actuallly be an asset to team next year (well I thought that he could until reading his article so I guess that it will have to be Prioleau) but a good corner game will help free up the safties for other things.

Carter, Golston, Salave'a and another defensive end that we will have to aquire from somewhere should make the D-line OK.

Washington and McCintosh will be our outside LB's and as with the CB and the DE we are going to have to aquire a middle LB but Marshall will suffice if we are running out of cap space next year.

As you can see, this is NOT a lot of personel changes but ones that can make an offense more formidable,help JC out while helping out the defense as well.

Again we are not going to be able to complete the defensive moves this year with what we have to work but a possession receiver will, at least, keep the unit off the field more by sustaining drives and we can complete there moves the following year but we would, at least, make the playoffs next year .

Don't forget that we are going to be getting rid of players also(hopefully some dead weight at the receiver position) to make other moves work
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