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Old 12-28-2006, 03:40 PM   #31
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Re: What's Considered Success for Next Season?

It's hand-in-hand. There have been 2 teams with 10+ wins that haven't made it to the playoffs in the last 5 years, and every 10+ win team this year will make the playoffs. If 97% of 10+ win seasons mean a playoff appearance, then 10+ wins next season almost guarantees a playoff spot.

So, I would say 10+ wins is a successful season. If we don't make the playoffs with 10 wins, it's a fluke. If we make the playoffs with 8 wins, then that's a fluke, and not a successful season.
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Old 12-28-2006, 03:49 PM   #32
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Re: What's Considered Success for Next Season?

10-6 should definitely be expected whether if it is good enough to make the playoffs or not.
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Old 12-28-2006, 04:11 PM   #33
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This is what I'm trying to get at, sort of. Is a successful season gauged by total number of victories or a playoff appearance?
to me, its about getting into the playoffs. once in, anything can happen
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Old 12-28-2006, 04:16 PM   #34
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to me, its about getting into the playoffs. once in, anything can happen
I can sort of agree with that too, although having a better record is "Supposed" to make it easier for a team to get through the playoffs, but you are right...once in anything can happen.

I just want to go back to the feeling I had in Gibbs I where each and every Sunday, you expected the Redskins to win, and if they lost, then it was unusual!
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Anything less than the playoffs is always a disaster.
Exactly.

With the talent we have on this team, thats gotta be a minimum. We have the talent to win in this league, and against the teams we play. I only really saw us outmatched once and that was against Indianapolis and the first game against Dallas/Philly; other than that there isnt a game I can look at and say we shouldnt have won.
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Old 12-28-2006, 04:33 PM   #36
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Re: What's Considered Success for Next Season?

I'd say anything 10-6 and a playoff win would be a success. But if the NFC doesn't improve much on this season, our schedule works out in our favor a bit and we stay healthy I really really think we have 11-5/12-4 type talent. The key is that everything needs to click with no injuries. I do not think an NFC chapionship appearance is a stretch and if you make it to that game then who the heck knows. essentially I'll have similar expectations that I had this year. I see no reason to have lower expectations.
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Old 12-28-2006, 04:45 PM   #37
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Re: What's Considered Success for Next Season?

I think the offense picks it up, gets into the top ten, and I'll even venture to say there will be slight improvement with the D (how much worse can it get?).

Still, there are too many problems with the team overall, and not enough solutions.

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Old 12-28-2006, 04:49 PM   #38
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If Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams, and Al Saunders can't get it done here, who the hell can??? It's not the coaching. It's the QB position. Brunell wouldn't threaten deep down the field, and Campbell is still learning.

We go as far as Campbell takes us. I think he can win 10 games after a full offseason of work.
I think it is a combo coaching and QB. I used to think it was more coaching but the last several seasosn around the league have made me a realize how black and white the qb position is for an NFL team. With a QB playing well you have a chance to win every game. With him playing poorly you have a chance to win maybe half your games if you have a good defense and decent players around him. To be successful with a poor or even mediocre QB you need a stellar defense. (See Balt and Chi)

It seems that a lot of people think the QB position is overrated but I think if anything it is underrated. Take Peyton off of Indy and they are a 8-8/9-7 team at best. Put him on Arizona and they win 11-12 games. Same in Minny.

I think though you also have to have good coaching with a solid scheme. The more and more I see Seattle and Philly play the more I realize how flawed their offenses are. I don't think it is a coincidence that their performance is all over the map the last 4 years. Even with good QBs they struggle to over come limited offensive shcemes and sometimes shoddy coaching.

The Pats are a perfect example. They really haven't been super talented but they have a great scheme on both sides of the ball, quality coaching and a super QB.

Basically to me good coaching and scheming overcome the spots where you have mediocre players. But the scheme or coach can't overcome having a poor QB. You need both to compete year in and year out.
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Old 12-28-2006, 05:04 PM   #39
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Re: What's Considered Success for Next Season?

Anything above 500 would be considered success coming from a team that has so many areas of concern on defense, and a young developing QB. Of course I always want to think playoffs, but right now I'll be content with enough progress to render a "winning season".
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Old 12-28-2006, 06:43 PM   #40
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Anything above 500 would be considered success coming from a team that has so many areas of concern on defense, and a young developing QB. Of course I always want to think playoffs, but right now I'll be content with enough progress to render a "winning season".
Considering we had a losing season, I think anything above .500 probably should be reasonable.

But just as sure as were sitting behind our keyboards, something will take place during the offseason to get us all hyped up.
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Old 12-29-2006, 09:53 PM   #41
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Re: What's Considered Success for Next Season?

9-7 is success...how bout we try consistently getting over 500 before we get into the playoffs business. As far as I am concerned this team has shown no reason whatsoever to even be considered a part of the NFL the last decade. It is trash and it makes me sick.
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Old 12-29-2006, 10:10 PM   #42
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Anything less than the playoffs is always a disaster.
Yeah, but that's not unfair, because this is a team that mortgages its future every year in order to win right away. Rebuilding is one thing, but we haven't had a rebuilding season since Snyder bought the team.
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I've been pondering that question in light of the fact that we're out of the playoffs and many of us on Warpath have begun to discuss the off season and the 2007 campaign.

But what would be considered a successful 2007 season for a team coming off a losing record? Would 8-8 be considered a success? How about if we went 9-7, yet still missed the playoffs?

I'm torn between what I would like the Redskins to do and what I should realistically expect them to do.

Assuming modest upgrades here and there, and Jason Campbell progressing, how do we actually guauge whether this team turned it around.

Please feel free to weigh in, and Mods please feel free to start a poll.

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I think this all depends on how they approach the offseason. We have the cap potential to put all of our eggs in the 2007 basket, get some CB and LB help, draft an impact player on the D-Line, and cut guys like Arch and maybe even LLoyd after June 1, or before June 1 using the new rule to treat it like a post June 1 cut, and restructure deals which would put us over our 2008 cap limit with only about 25 players counting towards it. If we did that, we would need at least a division championship and probably a deep playoff run for it to be considered a success.

But we might approach it (hey, anything is possible) with an eye to the future, and be relatively dormant in free agency, trading down to get more picks, NOT dealing our 2008 picks away, making all necessary cuts PRIOR to June 1 and not restructuring many, if any contracts, allowing us to cut the guys who have overstayed their welcome at the point they do. We could go out and get Nate Clements still, but not do anything ridicious in free agency. If we took this route, I would just be looking for some improvement. Be in the playoff race the last two weeks of the season. That would be acceptable.

Though I fully expect us to take the first route, I think it could be successful for us. But when the window of oppertunity is one year, too much can happen to deter a SB run even if we had the best team. Not great foward planning.
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Old 12-29-2006, 10:58 PM   #44
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Re: What's Considered Success for Next Season?

Reach the playoffs, or Gibbs will step down
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Exactly.

With the talent we have on this team, thats gotta be a minimum. We have the talent to win in this league, and against the teams we play. I only really saw us outmatched once and that was against Indianapolis and the first game against Dallas/Philly; other than that there isnt a game I can look at and say we shouldnt have won.
I agree with you that only a few times this season we were significantly outplayed, although I would add the first New York game to that list.

In spite of everything that has happened to us, injuries, playcalling, subpar performance, midseason QB change, inability to force turnovers, there is still no real reason why this team doesn't have 7 wins. Looking at the six close losses; Minnesota, Tennessee, @ Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Philadelphia, and @ St. Louis, and even throwing in close wins like Dallas and Jacksonville...our record was 2-6 in those games. In a fair world, should we not be 4-4 in those games? If you just look at those 8 games, we weren't outplayed at all (on the average) by our opponents in those 8 games. So how else can you explain us only winning 25% of those close games other than it not being our year?

The very simple answer is this: We got better than expected efforts from most of our opponents this year. We had a lot of games with teams coming off their bye or teams with their backs against the wall. Tennessee was 0-5. They are 8-2 since playing us. Philly had lost 3 in a row going into the Week 11 matchup with us. Atlanta and Tampa Bay were both on losing streaks.

It gives me hope for next year because even if we play no better than this year (something that shouldn't be too hard), if things even out and we go 6-2 in close games next year, that puts us in great shape to go 10-6 with no improvement. And I fully expect us to improve.
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