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Old 12-29-2006, 11:47 PM   #46
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Re: What's Considered Success for Next Season?

I too am torn between what I would like to see and what I suspect I will see.

On the one hand, 2007 will be Year 4 of Gibbs II. Given carte blanche by Snyder to redesign the team, he has assembled a coaching staff unmatched in both name recognition and years of experience. The roster is populated primarily by players he and his coaches hand-picked. Both are supplemented by payrolls that are either at or near the top of the league.
Everything Gibbs has been asked for he has received, with Snyder quietly sliding into the background.

Considering all that, anything short of an 11-5/12-4 season and a division title should be inexcusable.

In reality, this team will be starting a still-green quarterback, seeking (still) a consistent #2 wideout, and attempting to rebuild a shattered defense with what we can only assume will be at least in a large part the same cast of characters who brought you this year's debacle.

Looking at it from that angle, I think 8-8 is a reasonable mark, maybe 9-7 with a few breaks.

Personally I feel that the Redskins need a counterweight to Gibbs in the form of a GM who has some degree of autonomy (i.e., who can at least appeal to Snyder in the case of a dispute in much the same way Beathard appealed to The Squire back in the good ol' days).
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Old 12-31-2006, 07:06 AM   #47
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Re: What's Considered Success for Next Season?

I would consider any playoff appearance a success after this season. I am going to go into next season with very low expectations. This season has got to be one of if not THE most disappointing ever.
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Old 12-31-2006, 10:50 AM   #48
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I expect a division title. If the Ravens, Saints, and possibly Eagles can all go from worst to first this year there's no reason the Redskins can't either.

As for what I consider success, 10 wins and a playoff win
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:11 AM   #49
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9-7 or 8-8 would be a success. You can't fix all the holes on defense in one year. Plus the division is real tough. It's going to take time.
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:15 AM   #50
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Skin and Taf, you both make good points. Other teams have turned it around in a seasons time. But realistically, how much ground can you cover after going 5-11?
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:33 AM   #51
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I expect a division title. If the Ravens, Saints, and possibly Eagles can all go from worst to first this year there's no reason the Redskins can't either.

As for what I consider success, 10 wins and a playoff win
Here is the difference. Steve McNair, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Drew Brees, Deuce M. Reggie Bush, Brian Westbrook, Jeff Garcia and Brian Dawkins. All of those guys are leaders and difference makers. Plus all of those teams are WELL COACHED. I love the way Payton coaches.
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Super Bowl.

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Old 12-31-2006, 11:37 AM   #53
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Here is the difference. Steve McNair, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Drew Brees, Deuce M. Reggie Bush, Brian Westbrook, Jeff Garcia and Brian Dawkins. All of those guys are leaders and difference makers. Plus all of those teams are WELL COACHED. I love the way Payton coaches.
I don't get your point
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:41 AM   #54
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They need to be about 10 and 6 and in the playoffs for next year to be a success imo. I have to think this year was a blip on the radar. If they end up sub .500 again next year, I would probably say it was time to give Gibbs the axe. This team has been riddled with injuries, they didn't put Campbell in till late and they played no defense. I don't really expect any of that to happen again next year. The D will have to be better...I don't think it's possible for them to get worse. Clinton will be healthy (if they keep him).

The team should automatically be better next season, but it's scary to think the other 3 teams from the East are in the playoffs. I think the Giants implode next season, maybe the same for the Cowboys. So, by my estimation, they really only have to worry about Philly, but they absolutely play better football.

Finally, Joe needs to get some sort of discipline in this team. Not that they have problems off the field, or even the 15 yarders the G Men rack up, but all the stupid penalties they committ have to decrease. It killed them this year. I think this is part of a coaching problem. I never look at a highly penalized team and think that they are well coached. I have to feel the same away the Skins this year.
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Here is the difference. Steve McNair, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Drew Brees, Deuce M. Reggie Bush, Brian Westbrook, Jeff Garcia and Brian Dawkins. All of those guys are leaders and difference makers. Plus all of those teams are WELL COACHED. I love the way Payton coaches.
Your naming players that were on the team before this season and the team still sucked and each team has one addition none of them have been that big of difference makers if you ask me (with the exception of Drew Brees). And what makes you think those teams are well coached i could argue that brian billick is not that great of a coach at all.
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:49 AM   #56
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Your naming players that were on the team before this season and the team still sucked and each team has one addition none of them have been that big of difference makers if you ask me (with the exception of Drew Brees). And what makes you think those teams are well coached i could argue that brian billick is not that great of a coach at all.
Reed and Lewis were hurt last year. So you bring them back and add McNair and you have a better team. Balt. had a top defense last year, they just had an offense that kept turning it over. Deuce was also hurt last year so you bring him back and add Bush and Bress and a lot of your problems are fixed. Plus they added Colston who is just a stud.
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:51 AM   #57
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I don't get your point
My point is those players have been difference makers for their teams this year. That is why they have gone from worst to first.
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My point is those players have been difference makers for their teams this year. That is why they have gone from worst to first.
Ok, well about Portis then? Or Springs? And you know we'll go out and get one or two difference makers. And a full season of Campbell?

I won't even touch the coaching argument.
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Ok, well about Portis then? Or Springs? And you know we'll go out and get one or two difference makers. And a full season of Campbell?

I won't even touch the coaching argument.
Portis will help. But can we honestly count on Springs at this point of his career? No. I just think winning the division is a bit of a stretch. Too many holes on defense. I would take 9-7 or 8-8 and a Wild Card. To me that would be a successful season. But our coaches need to coach better. Gibbs needs to be more aggressive. I was shocked when he went for it on 4-4. Where has that been all year long? Sometimes you gotta coach to win instead of coaching not to lose.
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It will all depend on the D. If we can get back to 2004/2005 form defensively the sky's the limit.
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