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Old 12-28-2006, 08:53 PM   #16
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

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Dude, you pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. I mean, we all knew Arch was unhappy and he didn't fit this scheme. I think that's a moot point.

But the bigger question is, why does this seem to be a consistent theme with our staff/management? Why is it that the coaches play the silence game with the media, toe the company line, and all of sudden we have another disgruntled player that is leaving the team. No way in hell it's always the player that's the problem.

Why do I get the impression that Gibbs has no control over this team??
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the organization as a whole to a certain point. The league is full of arrogant, crybaby players, but there are also plenty of decent guys who are honest, hard working players.

One, two, maybe three disgruntled players and I'd say it's a string of bad luck. This is getting to be a yearly occurrence, however. Every season it's one or two guys who get pissed off and leaving hating the team, season in and season out.

I'm not saying we should be out to make friends - yes, business is business and it can be rough. At a certain point you've got to start wondering if maybe it's not just a string of bad luck or some selfish players...
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Old 12-28-2006, 08:54 PM   #17
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Saden - the talent evaluator you are referring to - what that be Cerrato or Gibbs or both?
Do I have to choose? Asking me to choose is akin to asking a man to choose which one of his children he would prefer dead.

I choose all of the above including the security guard at the parking lot and the lady that washes player's towels.
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Old 12-28-2006, 09:01 PM   #18
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

It is funny how every guy on this board said about the same thing before the season started... "We overpayed for AA, but there is no question he is an upgrade over Ryan Clark". Hind sight is 20/20. I agree he is bad in coverage, but I don't understand why people bust on his tackling. He is and has always been a good tackler, led the team before being benched (AA didn't miss that tackle against Jackson last week , but Taylor gets a by?)

I still think that AA was brought in to be a hitter if Taylor went to jail, but the coaches expected that they could magically teach him to become a better pass defender if Taylor avoided jail. They couldn't... and here we are.

He was talked into joining the skins, then used wrong, then benched. I am amazed that he has been as silent as he has been throughout this whole thing. Wouldn't anyone else here be pissed? (Personally I could temper my frustration with the 10 million.)
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Old 12-28-2006, 09:03 PM   #19
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I don't know, I know I am going to take shit for this but I really don't see the problem with what he said. If he sucked this bad, why did we snap him up and pay him $20 million? It's just a really lame way of handling these kinds of issues.

Coaches always say they want players who never quit. I think this shows what happens when coaches decide to quit on a player rather than work it out like professionals, and then decide what's best in the offseason. You can't tell me that the way the Arch and Lavar situation went down makes guys on the team happier and more confident in the coaching staff. You can't tell me that it wasn't a distraction -- that ESPN "deep throat" article is proof of that.

It's just really, really weird and smacks of some kind of personal thing. Arch Deluxe has certainly not turned out the way we had hoped, but our coaching staff is as guilty if not more guilty here, because we either completely nerfed the scouting report on this guy or we're completely quitting on a player because he isn't up to Ggrilliamss' stratospheric standards (note: sarcasm). And in either case, we have once again made an ugly mess out of what should have been a quiet personnel decision made in the offseason.
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Old 12-28-2006, 09:08 PM   #20
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

Does this article pretty much mean that Archuletta was indeed the mole and not Springs like many had thought?
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Does this article pretty much mean that Archuletta was indeed the mole and not Springs like many had thought?
Unless it was just a smokescreen, weren't there a number of references to how things had been run in the past, which would indicate it wasn't someone new like Arch?
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Old 12-28-2006, 09:58 PM   #22
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

Its not really AA's fault he is getting overpaid. It's not his fault he has problems w/ covering. Why so much anger toward him? Why did our FO bring him here? It's alright to have an opinion but let's stop the personal attacks.

He very well may have a point. Who knows? I think we all can agree he's most likely gone though.
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Old 12-28-2006, 09:59 PM   #23
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

im not sure what the lies were, but im on A.A.s side on this subject. the man is a grown adult, even if its something he doesnt want to hear, tell him the truth. but he also has about 30 million reasons to not let the lies bother him
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Old 12-28-2006, 10:16 PM   #24
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

i don't feel any sympathy for AA, lavar, coles or bailey. they're pretty much the ones that left feeling like they had been given the shaft by the skins.

1- bailey, skins tried to keep him. he wanted out and was granted his wish

2- coles, felt like he wasn't getting enough balls thrown his way, after leading the team with 80 or 90 ?

3- lavar, he really wore out his welcome with all his crying, plus, he was never the same after his knee trouble, plus,plus, he was gonna be a HUGE cap hit

4- AA, not gone yet but probably soon to be gone. redskins thought he would be a good fit, they paid him a lot of money to come here, they found out he does not fit and that he is actually a liability so they bench him in favor of players that are out preforming him.

it's all pretty cut and dry if you ask me. i think every team goes through this very same thing , it's just that we follow the skins so close we don't really know what all goes on with the other teams.

any player movement out of the redskins organization gets more media coverage cause the skins are so active during the off-season and because they give out such huge amounts of money.
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

Man, he is so gone. With a boot in his ass on the way out.

Good riddance.
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Old 12-28-2006, 10:24 PM   #26
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Its not really AA's fault he is getting overpaid. It's not his fault he has problems w/ covering. Why so much anger toward him? Why did our FO bring him here? It's alright to have an opinion but let's stop the personal attacks.

He very well may have a point. Who knows? I think we all can agree he's most likely gone though.
It is not entirely his fault he's overpaid. But it is partially. Snyder and the coaches are to blame for overvaluing him. But Archuleta is also to blame for not being good enough to even remain in the starting lineup, let alone be a quality safety.
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

What's up with players being pissed off at the 'Skins organization? What the hell is going on?!
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

Id just tell that "fag" to stop plucking his eyebrows for real!
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Old 12-28-2006, 11:05 PM   #29
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

What I don't get is the whole "lied to" crap. Lied to about what? Did the Redskins honestly say, "You'll never have to play coverage?" When Prioleau got hurt it was his job to step in. What were Gibbs and Williams supposed to do..."Adam...get in there, oh wait, nevermind, I forgot we agreed to never put you in coverage..." What an idiot...
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What I don't get is the whole "lied to" crap. Lied to about what? Did the Redskins honestly say, "You'll never have to play coverage?" When Prioleau got hurt it was his job to step in. What were Gibbs and Williams supposed to do..."Adam...get in there, oh wait, nevermind, I forgot we agreed to never put you in coverage..." What an idiot...
No, what he was saying was no one really sat him down and told him why he wasn't playing. Meantime, the coaches are doing pressers saying how impressed they are with 'Adam'.

No, no one came right out and told a lie to Arch, but in so many words he felt he was being deceived.
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