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Old 12-29-2006, 07:58 AM   #46
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

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I think it's crazy to think they brought Archuleta in to be essentially a third down blitz specialist. You don't give a guy a 10 million dollar sb to be a situational guy. Not at safety.
That would appear to be the conventional wisdom. But as we can see, the Redskins don't necessarily follow that.
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You can't be serious. By definition, a coach is supposed to instruct thier players, specifically as to correcting and improving their performance.
I'm dead serious! I'm not talking about coaches putting in the gameplan with players and making sure they know the plays. I'm also not talking about coaches putting players through drills that help with fundementals(sp?). I'm talking about players staying after practice and working on their own to get better, i.e: WR catching balls from coaches or O-lineman working with coaches on footwork. These are the things the player needs to take upon himself. Its not the coaches job to go to AA and ask him to say after pratcice to work on technique.

I dont know if he has done these things or not to show the coaching staff he cares about his job. but,If he had done these things, I'm convinced that he would be on the field more.
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

This AA thing reminds me a lot of other players, as to what happens to them when they fall out of favor with the coaching staff. There have been plenty of players that all say the same things. They dont talk to them, no reason for not playing, not telling them how to improve. There is a recurring theme with this defensive staff. Aside from AA not playing worth a damn, as a professional he deserves reasoning for benching, for not playing at all. In the washington post and times both have articles saying that he found out in a walk through that prealoue (however that is spelled) was starting. the walk through before the game!! that is crazy. this defensive staff, starting with GW has to get off their high horse and come back to reality. it started with smoot, clark, pierce, arrington, and now AA. GW thinks its his system, that players dont matter, well we all see what happens when you dont have the skill players in important positions. Its about players too.
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Players come and go all the time. It's the nature of FA. players say things all the time as well. it does not mean it's true, or in this case, that he was kept out of the loop or anything else for that matter. When GW had a band of heartbreakers and lifetakers (sorry CE) last season, nobody on the squad seemed pissed off, and everybody loved GW. So........AA say he bad. Did GW change???? Not likely. IMO, I believe GW is an ego maniac, but he makes it work, or at least can. Q. what is the difference last to this year? A. AA has his feelings hurt....................move on. It was a mistake to bring him here, and his ego is bruised, and looking for someone to blame. my ego would be a bit spanked as well
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AA has actually suprised me on this. I expected him to start crying before now. he may have been overpaid but that only leads to one conclusion...who decided to pay this scrub this much money? who evaluated his play and decided he was worth all the money we gave him. Our problems go way deeper than just not having the right players. I dont think we have the right folks doing the talent evaluations. Until that is corrected you will continue to the skins make awful decisions regarding drafting players, signing free agents and evaluating talent. The focus this offseason should be to hire a general manager before anything else.
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

I was one of those guys who gave Archuleta the benefit of the doubt. He's had a roller coaster of a career, and figured, in the right role, he could be a positive thing for the defense. He's a hard hitter, and had some very good seasons in St. Louis.

Looking at things, Archuleta is better suited for the 04 and 05 versions of the Redskins defense, when the primary goal was to blitz, and blitz often. Because of injuries, and the lack of depth in the secondary, G-Dub has had to scale back his blitz coverages tremendously this season, hence hanging Archuleta out to dry.

However, with this media coverage, he has pretty much written his ticket out of town. I'm torn when it comes to the situation. While the coaching staff should say something, any Joe off the street could look at the film and see that Archuleta has played very poorly this year.

A proactive player would have approached the staff to see what he could do to get back in good graces. Archuleta chose not to, and I think that eats at the coaching staff more than his on field play.
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I think the Redskins felt desperate enough at the time to sign AA since it wasn't clear that ST would be on the field. There were not a lot of available hard-hitting FA Safeties. AA's agent knew this and I'm sure exploited this for his client's financial benefit. The Redskins organization knew they were overpaying but I guess couldn't see an alternative plan. They needed someone that could knock someone's head off, again IF ST was not going to play. Looking back was it a foolish move? Yes. At the time was it a totally unreasonable move? Not really.

What AA is saying now is his side of the story not the absolute true side of the story. AA has a responsibility as a professional to work on his areas that are in need of improvement. Does anyone here think he came up to one of his coaches and asked for help and they said "f*ck off". Doubtful. More likely he's used to being pampered and having people come to him not the other way around. GW doesn't treat any player better than another and some of these guys can't handle not being #1.
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

We are never going to know what REALLY happens behind the scenes. Consequently, we have a small chance of drawing the correct conclusion in most situations
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GW doesn't treat any player better than another and some of these guys can't handle not being #1.
Amen!!

Some people think this is GW being an ego-maniac when in reality he treats everybody equally. Players like LaVar and AA have been the "Stars" on every team for which they have played. They have gotten used to everyone catering to them. Gibbs and Co. are trying to turn this organization around and it starts with treating everybody equally, not pampering the "privledged" ones.
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Amen!!

Some people think this is GW being an ego-maniac when in reality he treats everybody equally. Players like LaVar and AA have been the "Stars" on every team for which they have played. They have gotten used to everyone catering to them. Gibbs and Co. are trying to turn this organization around and it starts with treating everybody equally, not pampering the "privledged" ones.
Why does it seem like he makes it a point to send a message to the stars though? That's just the feeling I get. It's almost like he want's everyone to know who's in charge.

These guys just want to play football.
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Re: ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

Speaking of interesting quotes, here's Brian Mitchell on Joe Gibbs:

Old-school Redskins say Gibbs needs to get tougher

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ASHBURN, Va. - As an incredibly disappointing and underachieving season finally comes to an end on Saturday, several Washington Redskins are bracing for what has become an annual Washington ritual.
Just like the cherry blossoms blooming in the spring along the Potomac river, Washingtonians can always count on Daniel Snyder spending millions in free-agency dollars to overhaul the Redskins in the offseason.
However, the biggest change the Redskins might make could come from within.
According to some of his former players, Joe Gibbs has to revert back to being the old school yet innovative coach who produced the three Super Bowl trophies that sit in the Redskins Park lobby. He has to, they say, turn away from being the new-age coach who has tried so hard to adapt to today's game while also serving as team president, handpicking his own players.
"I think he has gotten a little soft on the guys," said Brian Mitchell, who flourished under Gibbs as one of the league's premier returners. "When I got here, I was treated just the same as Art Monk was treated, not as a fifth-round pick. I was treated as an equal. On this (current) team, you see favoritism to certain players."
"I don't see the same guy (Gibbs) today," added Mitchell, who is a talk-show host on WTEM-sports radio in Washington. "I see a guy who was once a disciplinarian without having to yell (going) to making a lot of excuses (for players). I don't think he held people accountable. When Santana Moss got a 15-yard penalty for retaliating, (Gibbs) made an excuse instead of saying (Moss has) to think."
As the Redskins (5-10) look to spoil the Giants' playoff aspirations tomorrow, Gibbs has been busy trying to figure out what has gone so wrong in D.C. The Redskins began the season with Super Bowl expectations after finishing 10-6 and winning six straight games before losing to Seattle in the divisional round last year.
However, Gibbs and the Redskins over-tinkered in the offseason. High-priced additions such as wide receiver Brandon Lloyd, safety Adam Archuleta, wide receiver Antwaan Randle El and defensive end Andre Carter have not lived up to expectations and their exorbitant salaries.
And truthfully, neither has Gibbs, perhaps the biggest personality in Washington outside of the President. The 66-year-old Hall of Fame coach is just 21-26 since returning to run his beloved franchise.
In his dual role, Gibbs has his hands full from coaching to personnel moves, such as trading valuable high draft picks for players like T.J. Duckett and Lloyd. Saying it was best for the team, Gibbs hired offensive guru Al Saunders and uncharacteristically handed over all the play-calling duties to Saunders so he could focus on other aspects.
"A lot of people are wondering if (Gibbs) did this all on himself or was he pushed or forced," Mitchell said. "What has Gibbs done? He puts in offenses and calls plays and plays chess with defensive coordinators and normally beats them. Now, he stands on the sidelines. I don't see him as that type of guy."
The drastic change resulted in disaster as the Redskins' offense looked mostly pathetic under the aging Mark Brunell, whom Gibbs was too loyal to. Gibbs switched to the inexperienced 2005 first-round draft pick Jason Campbell a few weeks too late, then lost running back Clinton Portis to a season-ending injury last month.
The Redskins' defense, which has shuffled players in and out in consecutive offseasons, has also faltered after stellar seasons under associate head coach Gregg Williams.
On Thanksgiving eve, Gibbs criticized his players in a team meeting, ordering them to play more smash-mouth, Redskins-brand of football. The Redskins are 2-3 since but have played better as running back Ladell Betts has rushed for 100 yards or more in five straight games for an average of 135.6 yards.
"He addressed the team in a tone that hadn't been done all year," said Rick (Doc) Walker, Gibbs' former tight end who also is a talk show host on WTEM. "They have gotten back to the hard core that is the way Joe coaches. It is not a social club, a country club. It is a work factory."
Change doesn't take place overnight, not even for masterminds like Gibbs. It's taken him almost three seasons just to clean up the mess left behind by predecessor Steve Spurrier.
"I said I was starting all over," Gibbs said in a conference call this week about when he returned to coaching. "I had a lot of great memories. But it really doesn't buy you anything when you are living in the present day and when you are coaching in modern times here."
Now Gibbs, who has two years remaining on his contract, is trying to figure out how to make all the pieces and coaches he has assembled fit and flow. Maybe all Gibbs has to do is be himself and do what he does best.
"Joe has been too judicious in giving out authority," Walker said. "This has to be a dictatorship. He has to be the one voice. (The players) believe in Joe. But Joe has to believe in Joe."
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We are never going to know what REALLY happens behind the scenes. Consequently, we have a small chance of drawing the correct conclusion in most situations
That won't stop us from offering up half-baked theories and arguing about them to no end.
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That won't stop us from offering up half-baked theories and arguing about them to no end.
My theories are 66% baked.

It does seem like the coaches tend to shut out some players when they are not performing, though. I don't blame AA for being pissed if that's what happened, but this is not how you handle it. Seems like a common theme these days.
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My half baked theory is this, Williams hasn't talked to him because he pretty much made up his mind weeks ago that Arch is a project that he's given up on and he won't be back, so why bother. Probably not the best way to go about things, GW is a hard ass no doubt but he's a no BS guy as well. He's not going to sugar coat things by telling him to keep working hard when he knows he's a guy he no longer wants in his system.

As much as Arch is disappointed in the coaches, the coaches are probably equally as disappointed in his piss poor play and overall inability to pick up this defense. He's a lost cause in their eyes.
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My half baked theory is this, Williams hasn't talked to him because he pretty much made up his mind weeks ago that Arch is a project that he's given up on and he won't be back, so why bother. Probably not the best way to go about things, GW is a hard ass no doubt but he's a no BS guy as well. He's not going to sugar coat things by telling him to keep working hard when he knows he's a guy he no longer wants in his system.

As much as Arch is disappointed in the coaches, the coaches are probably equally as disappointed in his piss poor play and overall inability to pick up this defense. He's a lost cause in their eyes.
Half baked yet delicious. I agree. AA was a huge letdown, and Williams was the one who campaigned for him and got him here. Evidently GW's way of dealing with that is to say nothing and move on.

Maybe it's GW being a hard ass, maybe it's his "personality" or whatever, but frankly I think it boils down to crappy management. If it's true that AA was yanked and nobody has said word one to him, I feel bad for him regardless of whether or not he could cover his own shadow. That's no way to treat somebody, no way to lead a team or boost morale or inspire a group of people. It's immature and asinine.

This whole thing sounds like Arrington's story all over again just with Archuleta's name. Hell, it sounds like pretty much like the story of a half dozen or so players who have left this organization over the past few years.
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