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Old 01-01-2007, 03:01 AM   #46
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#1, I watched the game (my wife is a Broncos fan) and I do not recall "thunderous applause".
#2, It's amazing how fast we forget just how bad Brunell played. If I had to take a guess, I'd guess that out of his 260 attempts, 240 of them (maybe more) were attempts of 10 yards or less. Honestly, he should have had over 70% completion when he was too much of a pussy to throw it downfield. We all remember the 22 straight completions, and 20 of them were 10 yards or less...well laaa-dee-daa. He got booed for his blatent disregard for the offensive system. He flat out refused to leave his confort zone, and utilyze his weapons. I wouldn't have booed him, but I don't blame a single soul for the dismal play of Brunell.
I am Mr. Stathead and use stats to prove points constantly, but you can't prove a thing with Brunell stats. You had to watch, and I didn't miss a single play.
Plummer was applauded while Cutler was still down on the field. What's interesting is that when Cutler came back, he got equal applause from the crowd. Supporting your own QB...what a novel concept.

I can't prove the generalization that Brunell dumped every play either right or wrong, but my only defense for that is this: his 6.88 yards/attempt. You'd think if defenses didn't respect his ability to go anywhere else but the flats, they could have creeped on him, but apparently none did.

I believe Brunell was attacking a phallicy in NFL defenses. With all the speed in NFL back 7's today, few teams can tackle that flat dumpoff efficiently enough to stop the offense. Thus Brunell took the easy pass every time it was given to him. That probably caused a few failed conversions on 3rd downs, yes, and thats certainly on him. But considering he completed more than a yard per pass more than Campbell did, I'm very surprised they (Al after Campbell became the QB) went away from it. Theres no reason to suspect that Campbell wouldn't have been able to improve his yards/attempt if he attacked D's the same way Brunell did, and he probably would have scored more points for us doing it.

The consecutive completions record is nice and all, but meaningless by itself. However Brunell also threw for 261 that game (9.67 yard/att) and still a solid 7.1 yards per attempt even if that Portis 74 yd shovel is to be counted as a run, which it wasn't on the stat sheet. So although a good % of his passes went underneath, he completed stuff in that game no matter where he threw it, and THAT is what the completion record represents. Campbell couldn't have done that because he's going to miss more than 1 out of every 20 underneath throws.

If the Texans (or teams in general) aren't going to prevent the short stuff, why would you risk a longer throw? I don't know, but for JC's first 5 starts, thats what happened.
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Old 01-01-2007, 12:14 PM   #47
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Boo the coaches, not Brunell. He sucked, but, really, he should not have been starting this year in the first place.
Amen. I'm sick and tired of people shooting the messengers. If people have a problem with the way players are performing, boo the people who brought them in here.
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Old 01-01-2007, 03:22 PM   #48
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Plummer was applauded while Cutler was still down on the field. What's interesting is that when Cutler came back, he got equal applause from the crowd. Supporting your own QB...what a novel concept.

I can't prove the generalization that Brunell dumped every play either right or wrong, but my only defense for that is this: his 6.88 yards/attempt. You'd think if defenses didn't respect his ability to go anywhere else but the flats, they could have creeped on him, but apparently none did.

I believe Brunell was attacking a phallicy in NFL defenses. With all the speed in NFL back 7's today, few teams can tackle that flat dumpoff efficiently enough to stop the offense. Thus Brunell took the easy pass every time it was given to him. That probably caused a few failed conversions on 3rd downs, yes, and thats certainly on him. But considering he completed more than a yard per pass more than Campbell did, I'm very surprised they (Al after Campbell became the QB) went away from it. Theres no reason to suspect that Campbell wouldn't have been able to improve his yards/attempt if he attacked D's the same way Brunell did, and he probably would have scored more points for us doing it.

The consecutive completions record is nice and all, but meaningless by itself. However Brunell also threw for 261 that game (9.67 yard/att) and still a solid 7.1 yards per attempt even if that Portis 74 yd shovel is to be counted as a run, which it wasn't on the stat sheet. So although a good % of his passes went underneath, he completed stuff in that game no matter where he threw it, and THAT is what the completion record represents. Campbell couldn't have done that because he's going to miss more than 1 out of every 20 underneath throws.

If the Texans (or teams in general) aren't going to prevent the short stuff, why would you risk a longer throw? I don't know, but for JC's first 5 starts, thats what happened.
The fact that Brunell and Campbells % were so close (in yards / attempt) show that Brunell didn't throw downfield. Campbell didn't complete as many passes, yet have similar numbers???? If you have 2 attempts, one for 16 yards, and 1 incomplete, that's an everage of 8 per attempt. But if you complete 2 passes for 12 each, and the other incomplete, that averages out to 8 per attempt. Also, YAC counts. So if Brunell throws a screen to Moss and it goes 20 yards, he didn't throw the ball 20 yards, he threw it 1 yard and Moss did the rest. Campbell threw very few screens, Brunell lived off them.
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Old 01-01-2007, 05:57 PM   #49
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There is nothing that anyone can say that would justify booing Mark Brunell for him simply coming onto the field. It is a very classless act and it reflects worse on the fans than it does the player. Hey, MB didn't have a very good year this year, but he did what he could to contribute to the team. Even if the guy isn't successful this year, he has busted his butt for our entertainment. Sure, he makes the money, but can you blame him? We all want a bigger piece of the pie, don't blame the guy for being in the position to get it.
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:11 PM   #50
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Here's when you can boo a player at home:

When he plays better when he's being booed.

All the players I know play worse when they're beeing booed by the home crowd. Do you think that the team feels they played well this year? They can look at their record as well as we can (and probably think about it a lot more.)
If you performed better when you got criticized by your parents and friends after (or during) a bad performance then please, by all means boo. But if you're like the rest of us, don't reduce our team's chances of winning the game. We like to have our team win, and our players will play worse if they are booed by the home crowd. In addition, booing our team inspires the other team. After all, it is expected that the representatives of the "enemy" will be booed and not the "allies". So if you want to boo, be my guest. Just attach your lips to your rectum and boo. You might even enjoy it. Thank you!
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:12 PM   #51
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The fact that Brunell and Campbells % were so close (in yards / attempt) show that Brunell didn't throw downfield. Campbell didn't complete as many passes, yet have similar numbers???? If you have 2 attempts, one for 16 yards, and 1 incomplete, that's an everage of 8 per attempt. But if you complete 2 passes for 12 each, and the other incomplete, that averages out to 8 per attempt. Also, YAC counts. So if Brunell throws a screen to Moss and it goes 20 yards, he didn't throw the ball 20 yards, he threw it 1 yard and Moss did the rest. Campbell threw very few screens, Brunell lived off them.
You hit it. That's why it's so silly to compare their stats to begin with.
The stats will tell you what you want to hear or read. I never paid attention to those stats people would throw around saying Brunell's stats are better than Jason's.

Fact of the matter is, once Gibbs inserted Cambell teams respected the deep ball, and it spred the defense more. Ladell Betts was an indirect benefactor of Jason Campbell's ability to get the ball deep.
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Old 01-02-2007, 12:56 PM   #52
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just because people boo doesn't mean someone is stupid, or any less of a fan. did you sit there and not critisize our team at all this year, that is what booing, letting you team know they are playing lousy. Now, booing brunell was a bit uncalled for, but hey we all pay $100's of dollars to go to the game to sit in the stands, fight traffic pay $7 bucks or so for a beer. if someone wants to boo, so be it. They pay those salaries, they dont really have a voice in any decision making processes at Redskin park, so that is the only way fans can be heard sometimes. Hey, I agree with one guy the D should have been booed the whole damn game! they suck@!
I agree I have paid literally thousands this year to see the Redskins with the gas, taking off work, tickets, parking.... Its' not like sitting in your easy chair at home watching the game. And I did boo so u can call me classless! I didnt start booing but once it started I joined in... When I saw him run on the field it was like a bad replay... I do like him but I wasnt ready for the same old shit i saw for the last 2 years... 5 yard passes and dinks and dunks.... And I would have really wanted to see what Collins could do. So yes we pay their salaries. But it was more the booing symbolized the disappointment with this year. This team is loaded with talent how the hell did we finish with this record. But I did feel bad about booing him. But It's like everything else in Life either shit or get off the pot!!! And while your calling people classless dont forget 65,000+ ??? Fans came out on a holiday to see our Redskins play on for a game that meant nothing but pride and we were loud.
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Old 01-02-2007, 01:04 PM   #53
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I agree I have paid literally thousands this year to see the Redskins with the gas, taking off work, tickets, parking.... Its' not like sitting in your easy chair at home watching the game. And I did boo so u can call me classless! I didnt start booing but once it started I joined in... When I saw him run on the field it was like a bad replay... I do like him but I wasnt ready for the same old shit i saw for the last 2 years... 5 yard passes and dinks and dunks.... And I would have really wanted to see what Collins could do. So yes we pay their salaries. But it was more the booing symbolized the disappointment with this year. This team is loaded with talent how the hell did we finish with this record. But I did feel bad about booing him. But It's like everything else in Life either shit or get off the pot!!! And while your calling people classless dont forget 65,000+ ??? Fans came out on a holiday to see our Redskins play on for a game that meant nothing but pride and we were loud.
Interesting. I kinda of suspected that the booing was as much about the failed season, and how, in some weird way Brunell was symbolic of that. Again, not blaming him for the struggles, but I think people were booing him out of frustration about the organization as a whole.

I'm willing to bet that many of those same people, if they saw Mark Brunell at let's say, Starbucks, would be very cordial and what have you toward him. It's something about a guy jogging out onto to a football field fully dressed in a uniform with a helmet on, that allow people to distance themselves from the person and the athlete.
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Fact of the matter is, once Gibbs inserted Cambell teams respected the deep ball, and it spred the defense more. Ladell Betts was an indirect benefactor of Jason Campbell's ability to get the ball deep.
Yes thats is so correct .
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Old 01-02-2007, 01:13 PM   #55
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Booing Brunell just doesn't make any sense. He came in as a one-series backup - he did absolutely nothing to deserve the boos. Rationalize away, but it doesn't make the booing "OK".
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Yeah, that's horrible. I mean Brunell lost his luster with me during this year, but that doesn't mean he deserved that treatment at home in what might be his last game ever as a Redskins or EVER for that matter.
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Booing Brunell just doesn't make any sense. He came in as a one-series backup - he did absolutely nothing to deserve the boos. Rationalize away, but it doesn't make the booing "OK".
I'm not justifying it all. Maybe it sounds like I am, but I'm not. It's not okay. The only thing I'm trying to point out is the motivation behind it. Why people did it, not whether it was right or wrong.
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