Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Redskins Locker Room


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-05-2007, 12:34 PM   #31
Karma Chameleon (I come and go)
 
jdlea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Annapolis, MD
Age: 29
Posts: 3,087
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redskins_P View Post
The money owed to CP would turn into a signing bonus/guaranteed money.

I could be wrong though. Schneed?
That's usually what they do, but I also think that just takes the pressure off of the cap for this season. It usually means that future cap hits are just gonna get worse. That one I need Schneed for...
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack
Albert Connell is perhaps the worst Redskin I ever had the misfortune of meeting. He's the kind of guy that makes media people covering their favorite team growing up no longer like that team
jdlea is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 01-05-2007, 12:34 PM   #32
RG Glee
 
Schneed10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Newtown Square, PA
Age: 35
Posts: 8,288
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redskins_P View Post
The money owed to CP would turn into a signing bonus/guaranteed money.

I could be wrong though. Schneed?
Yep that's how it works.
Schneed10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:34 PM   #33
The Starter
 
Southpaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: So. MD
Age: 35
Posts: 1,316
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneed10 View Post
Wow, that's a total misunderstanding of Joe Gibbs. I couldn't disagree with you more. No way Portis gets traded. No way in hell.
Uhh... Gibbs never tells the whole story. What makes you think that this situation is any different? This is the same guy that said they were drafting offensive weapons for Ramsey a couple years ago, and picks a corner and quarterback. This year, he's been saying that the problems had nothing to do with lack of communication, and everything is structured perfectly within the organization, but players are running to reporters talking about how some coaches don't even speak to others, players on the same unit have different meetings, etc.

As much as I would like to be wrong in this instance, I'm 99% sure that Portis is going to be gone, especially when people throw ridiculous packages around, like a Pro Bowl corner and the #2 overall pick.
Southpaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:37 PM   #34
The Starter
 
JGisLordOfTheRings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Richmond VA
Age: 28
Posts: 2,330
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

[quote=Southpaw;267426]Uhh... Gibbs never tells the whole story. What makes you think that this situation is any different? This is the same guy that said they were drafting offensive weapons for Ramsey a couple years ago, and picks a corner and quarterback. This year, he's been saying that the problems had nothing to do with lack of communication, and everything is structured perfectly within the organization, but players are running to reporters talking about how some coaches don't even speak to others, players on the same unit have different meetings, etc.

As much as I would like to be wrong in this instance, I'm 99% sure that Portis is going to be gone, especially when people throw ridiculous packages around, like a Pro Bowl corner and the #2 overall pick.[/quote]


as good of a deal that that is ....i would die if we took it...i LOVE CP but i love betts too but goddammit i cant take 4-5 more years of betts throwing the ball on the ground....
__________________
Creator of the Useless Thread
JGisLordOfTheRings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:40 PM   #35
The Starter
 
Southpaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: So. MD
Age: 35
Posts: 1,316
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings View Post
as good of a deal that that is ....i would die if we took it...i LOVE CP but i love betts too but goddammit i cant take 4-5 more years of betts throwing the ball on the ground....
Agreed, but apparently in Washington, running for a lot of yards between the 20's overshadows fumbling in the red zone...
Southpaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:42 PM   #36
Karma Chameleon (I come and go)
 
jdlea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Annapolis, MD
Age: 29
Posts: 3,087
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings View Post
as good of a deal that that is ....i would die if we took it...i LOVE CP but i love betts too but goddammit i cant take 4-5 more years of betts throwing the ball on the ground....
I think if they are going to take a deal for him, that's about as good as any to take. However, Dre Bly is getting old. He's 29, I thought he was about 2 years older than that, but still...a 29 year old corner for a 25 year old running back, doesn't seem like that great of a deal. However, the #2 has gotta be tempting.

I just like Clinton too much and think he's too good for them to trade him...I'm gonna be pissed if they do.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack
Albert Connell is perhaps the worst Redskin I ever had the misfortune of meeting. He's the kind of guy that makes media people covering their favorite team growing up no longer like that team
jdlea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:46 PM   #37
Fight for old DC!
 
Redskins_P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Falls Church, VA
Age: 36
Posts: 4,085
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

I doubt it will happen. As much as people want to speculate....Portis will be a Redskin for awhile.

How quickly everyone forgets how he practically carried the team on his back during our 5 game winning streak in '05.

You can say what you want about Betts doing the same, but the difference is that we won games w/ CP and Betts essentially contributed to our losses with his fumbles.

Portis > Betts. End of story.
Redskins_P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:48 PM   #38
RG Glee
 
Schneed10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Newtown Square, PA
Age: 35
Posts: 8,288
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by jdlea View Post
That's usually what they do, but I also think that just takes the pressure off of the cap for this season. It usually means that future cap hits are just gonna get worse. That one I need Schneed for...
Yes, you're right. If he's scheduled to make $3.5 million in base salary, and they restructure so that $3.0 million becomes signing bonus, then the signing bonus gets allocated over the remaining years of the contract.

Portis is under contract until 2011. That's 5 more seasons. So take the $3 million bonus and divide it by 5 years. That's $600K allocated to each season.

In 2007, Portis would count the $500K base salary, plus $600K for the allocated signing bonus, or $1.1 million in total (not considering roster bonus and previous signing bonus). So instead of counting the $3.5 million all this year, he's going to count $1.1 million, saving us $2.4 million in 2007 by restructuring.

In 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011, his cap number goes up by $600K each year.

You can see how it works. Reduce the cap hit now, spread it out over the remaining years. The more years the player has left, the more the future hit is spread out. With the salary cap going up by like $7 million a year these days, adding $600K to a player's cap number really isn't a big deal at all, and that's exactly why the 'Skins never encounter the "cap hell" the pundits are always saying they'll run into.

Last edited by Schneed10; 01-05-2007 at 12:56 PM. Reason: Wanted to add on at the end.
Schneed10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:49 PM   #39
RG Glee
 
Schneed10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Newtown Square, PA
Age: 35
Posts: 8,288
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
Uhh... Gibbs never tells the whole story. What makes you think that this situation is any different? This is the same guy that said they were drafting offensive weapons for Ramsey a couple years ago, and picks a corner and quarterback. This year, he's been saying that the problems had nothing to do with lack of communication, and everything is structured perfectly within the organization, but players are running to reporters talking about how some coaches don't even speak to others, players on the same unit have different meetings, etc.

As much as I would like to be wrong in this instance, I'm 99% sure that Portis is going to be gone, especially when people throw ridiculous packages around, like a Pro Bowl corner and the #2 overall pick.
I'm 99.99999% sure he's staying. Suffice it to say, one of us is going to be VERY surprised to be wrong. We'll see who's right.

Note to self: make fun of Southpaw when Portis suits up for the 'Skins in 2007.
Schneed10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:50 PM   #40
I like big (_|_)s.
 
TheMalcolmConnection's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Lexington, Virginia
Age: 32
Posts: 17,479
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
Agreed, but apparently in Washington, running for a lot of yards between the 20's overshadows fumbling in the red zone...
Which is odd considering Gibbs is such a nut over that.
__________________
Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.
TheMalcolmConnection is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:51 PM   #41
The Starter
 
Southpaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: So. MD
Age: 35
Posts: 1,316
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redskins_P View Post
I doubt it will happen. As much as people want to speculate....Portis will be a Redskin for awhile.

How quickly everyone forgets how he practically carried the team on his back during our 5 game winning streak in '05.

You can say what you want about Betts doing the same, but the difference is that we won games w/ CP and Betts essentially contributed to our losses with his fumbles.

Portis > Betts. End of story.
I'm pretty sure that 90% of us are against trading Portis. I sure as hell don't want Portis to be traded, but I've also been a fan of this team long enough to know that this is exactly the type of retarded shit they'd do, and then find some way to spin it in the Redskins media machine, to make everyone hate Portis...
Southpaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:53 PM   #42
The Starter
 
Southpaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: So. MD
Age: 35
Posts: 1,316
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneed10 View Post
I'm 99.99999% sure he's staying. Suffice it to say, one of us is going to be VERY surprised to be wrong. We'll see who's right.

Note to self: make fun of Southpaw when Portis suits up for the 'Skins in 2007.
As I said, I'd love nothing more to be wrong in this situation, because I would have a hard time stomaching the fact that Betts is THE guy. A plate full of deep fried crow would go down much easier.

I still think he's gone though...
Southpaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:54 PM   #43
RG Glee
 
Schneed10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Newtown Square, PA
Age: 35
Posts: 8,288
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
As I said, I'd love nothing more to be wrong in this situation, because I would have a hard time stomaching the fact that Betts is THE guy. A plate full of deep fried crow would go down much easier.

I still think he's gone though...
Crow it is.
Schneed10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:54 PM   #44
Karma Chameleon (I come and go)
 
jdlea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Annapolis, MD
Age: 29
Posts: 3,087
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redskins_P View Post
How quickly everyone forgets how he practically carried the team on his back during our 5 game winning streak in '05.

You can say what you want about Betts doing the same, but the difference is that we won games w/ CP and Betts essentially contributed to our losses with his fumbles.

Portis > Betts. End of story.
I totally agree with you. He was the main reason they made the playoffs last year. He put the team on his back and they won football games. Him and the D, at least. Anyway, as much as I would like to believe Joe Gibbs, I just can't do it. I've been bitten by this organization too many times to buy into what he's saying.

Gibbs hasn't been upfront with fans about a lot of things. Also, what if he said that they had every intention of trading Clinton Portis? Then you end up in the Champ Bailey situation where other teams are holding all the cards cause they know Clinton doesn't wanna come back cause you said you were trading him. The best way to trade a guy is to publicly deny his availibility and then privately shop him all over the league.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack
Albert Connell is perhaps the worst Redskin I ever had the misfortune of meeting. He's the kind of guy that makes media people covering their favorite team growing up no longer like that team
jdlea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2007, 12:55 PM   #45
Karma Chameleon (I come and go)
 
jdlea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Annapolis, MD
Age: 29
Posts: 3,087
Re: Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
As I said, I'd love nothing more to be wrong in this situation, because I would have a hard time stomaching the fact that Betts is THE guy. A plate full of deep fried crow would go down much easier.

I still think he's gone though...
I agree on this one too. I'll be the happiest guy in the world if I am wrong. I just am about 80% sure he's gonna get shipped out.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack
Albert Connell is perhaps the worst Redskin I ever had the misfortune of meeting. He's the kind of guy that makes media people covering their favorite team growing up no longer like that team
jdlea is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.31000 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25