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Old 01-05-2007, 03:51 PM   #61
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I really doubt it. Gibbs seems to really love Portis and everyone knows he's an outspoken guy who speaks his mind. And it's not like he even said anything bad, he was just speaking the truth.
Agree he didn't necessarily say anything "bad", but it still isn't good to air the team's dirty laundry in public. That stuff needs to stay in the locker room.

I'm torn on this issue of a Portis trade. It's obvious to me that Betts can be a starter, but is Cartwright a quality backup? I guess if they could work something that would benefit the team in the long run (draft picks, not a drastic salary cap hit, etc.) I'd be for it.
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Old 01-05-2007, 03:54 PM   #62
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I'm not torn - CP needs to be in the locker room for us to win consistently next year. Whether or not he should be a captain, he is the face of the Skins these days. There has been so much turnover here, I think dealing CP would be too much for the team to bear.
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Old 01-05-2007, 03:56 PM   #63
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If we trade CP and keep either Lloyd or Archuletta...the earth might open up and swallow FedEx Field. What kind of message would that say to the players? If that happens, we won't win more than 5 games.
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See though, the only thing is, Kevin Jones hasn't been that good. He's eclipsed 1000 yards only once. He hit 1133 or something like that in his rookie season and he hasn't gotten to 700 yards the last two, both of which he's ended up injured. I think the Lions might want to go out and get a Clinton Portis, it makes sense to me, why they would want him. However, they need to work on that O Line to open up some holes before they get concerned about the running back situation.

I do, however, agree that trading Dre Bly would probably be a mistake on their part. He's pretty much the only guy that concerns anyone in that defensive backfield. He can play, but he's already 29 and I don't think that the deal makes sense from the Skins standpoint other than the fact that he could be coming with the 2nd overall pick.

All in all, if people are really making offers, I guarantee the Skins are listening and they're certainly not thinking dealing Portis is out of the question. The more I think about it, the more I think his days in Burgundy and Gold are done. And that makes me angry.
So bench a guy that caught 61 balls in 12 games and trade for a guy that played in only 8 and caught only 17 out of the backfield? That doesn't make sense. While Jones has been injured the past two seasons, he is younger and fits more into the Lions offense.

Portis 693 yards (rush / rec in 8 games) 86.6 yards per game with one of the best offensive lines in the game.
Jones 1209 (rush / rec in 12 games) 100.75 yards per game with one of the worst offensive lines in the game.
If you're thinking td's...Portis had 7, Jones had 8.

I'd say that Jones was productive in his system, and one of the few bright spots the Lions have. Again, the Lions would be stupid. Address a real issue, like you said, the OL. You can be the best back in the world, but unless you're Barry Sanders, you need an OL.
I firmly beleive that we will see Portis in a Skins uni next season. (98% sure)
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I'm not torn - CP needs to be in the locker room for us to win consistently next year. Whether or not he should be a captain, he is the face of the Skins these days. There has been so much turnover here, I think dealing CP would be too much for the team to bear.

Being from Boston and a huge Red Sox fan, I beleive in having those "clowns / idiots" in the locker room. They lighten up the atmosphere and help people to laugh...Portis is one of those key players!
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I just don't get this organization ever...I am pretty sure that Portis won't be traded...but if for some reason he does, we'll be a couple more fan favorite trades away from being the Arizona DC Cardinal-Skins. How much more can the organization expect fans to take?
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As someone touched on earlier...

There is no stat to how big portis' value is in the locker room.

Skins can't trade portis, he's too valuable.
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:00 PM   #68
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Wow! I leave the office for the day, come back and one of the juiciest threads gets started.

If I'm not mistaken KJ's injury is pretty serious. I think they were talking about the same thing happened to another player and it took a full year to recover from. Since KJ's injury happened pretty late in the season the Lions could be up scheisse creek without a paddle.

I'm in the group that says CP is most proably a Redskin in 2007. He is a special back (not a sexy back) and it would take, as someone already said, a "Hershell Walker-type" trade for it to make sense. Think of the merchandising loss the Skins are going to lose by giving up Portis.

I'm also hoping he stays because my friend bought my 1 1/2 year old son a CP jersey, which he'll be able to wear until he's like 6.
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:21 PM   #69
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So bench a guy that caught 61 balls in 12 games and trade for a guy that played in only 8 and caught only 17 out of the backfield? That doesn't make sense. While Jones has been injured the past two seasons, he is younger and fits more into the Lions offense.

Portis 693 yards (rush / rec in 8 games) 86.6 yards per game with one of the best offensive lines in the game.
Jones 1209 (rush / rec in 12 games) 100.75 yards per game with one of the worst offensive lines in the game.
If you're thinking td's...Portis had 7, Jones had 8.

I'd say that Jones was productive in his system, and one of the few bright spots the Lions have. Again, the Lions would be stupid. Address a real issue, like you said, the OL. You can be the best back in the world, but unless you're Barry Sanders, you need an OL.
I firmly beleive that we will see Portis in a Skins uni next season. (98% sure)
Yes, because he doesn't run the football well. They could go with Portis and Jones just like Washington would be doing with Betts and Portis. I'm not saying Jones never has to see the field again. I'm saying Clinton's better.

I'm not buying your argument that Jones is a better option cause he had a better season THIS year. Betts catches a lot of balls out of the backfield too, but Clinton still carried the load.

He managed to get 1 more touchdown than Clinton in 4 more games this season. He also ran for all of 166 more yards. Clinton wasn't even all that active when he was healthy this year. Clinton is a WAY better back. Clinton's also only 1 year older. The only thing Kevin Jones does better than Clinton is catch balls outta the backfield.

If I'm Detroit I don't know that I'd offer Bly and the #2 overall for Clinton, but I would definitely make a run at him. Kevin Jones doesn't stay on the field consistently and he doesn't run nearly as well. He could be a third down guy who can go catch balls or run some draw plays. I mean really, the guy would be a really good #2 back, but I don't even think he's as good as Ladell Betts, let alone Clinton Portis.
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:27 PM   #70
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Am I the only one who saw Betts fumble away the Bucs game, fumble away the Rams game and have a key fumble in the Giants game? Yes he had a great run of yards but he is not a 16 game featured running back.. Trading Portis or even talking about it is ridiculous. Portis is a top 10 RB, maybe even top 5 (LJ, LT, Alexander, Jackson, ??) so to be talking about dealing him because Betts had a good quarter season is crazy.
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Am I the only one who saw Betts fumble away the Bucs game, fumble away the Rams game and have a key fumble in the Giants game? Yes he had a great run of yards but he is not a 16 game featured running back.. Trading Portis or even talking about it is ridiculous. Portis is a top 10 RB, maybe even top 5 (LJ, LT, Alexander, Jackson, ??) so to be talking about dealing him because Betts had a good quarter season is crazy.
I think Portis is a top five back. That's why the Redskins can't just let him go for peanuts.
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:35 PM   #72
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i would do the 2nd trade in a heart beat. get a corner + 2 picks for portis is a steal. 1st thing is that Jones looks like he might miss the entire 2007 season. #2 we need to get young, cause getting younger will makes hungry. players see the redskins as a payday. just look at achuleta, deon, smith. then look at the young players we let go, pierce, BAILEY. i would do it, hell fire gibbs and the entire staff and bring in grimm...
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:54 PM   #73
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I've heard KJ should be ready week one. Portis isn't untradeable, no one really is. But I really think it's going to take a whole lot to make any move.
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Old 01-05-2007, 06:27 PM   #74
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Let me first say that I love CP, and I hope he stays...he brings an intangible that is difficult to quantify. The guy is a competitor and a winner. That said, the NFL is a business and EVERYONE is tradeable for the right price.

Seems to me like Millen is grasping here. He knows the Skins aren't afraid to talk big when it comes to trades and Millen needs to bring in a "franchise" type player to keep management off his back since he has decided to keep Marinelli at HC.

That said, no way do I take Bly plus a #2 for #6 swap. Bly is good but not great, and the difference between a #2 and a #6 is not worth it, especially in this draft. Assuming we are going after a DE in the draft your options are Gaines Adams our Victor Abraimiri. Gaines is a projected 2nd or 3rd pick, and Abraimiri is projected 6th or 7th. Gaines is better, but not so much better that he's worth the trade. Either guy will be a contributor and a long term anchor on the D-line. If the deal included Detroit's 2nd rounder, Bly, and the swap, however, I think it'll happen.

BTW, for all those that don't think Betts can be a #1 option...if you extrapolate his numbers this year, he would have had nearly 1700 yards in a full season. Fumblitisis a problem but it can be fixed...just look at Tiki Barber. Portis is better, no doubt, but Betts is a serviceable #1 in my opinion.
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If we trade CP it would kill what little morale this team has left. I cant trust Betts as an everydown back, and why would you trade your best offensive player when your trying to groom a young QB. If we did the deal for Bly and the #2 pick, whats to say that Bly doesnt come here and suck and the #2 pick doesnt end up being a bust? I dont trust giving up a proven top 10 if not top 5 back for unproven talent. I dont want to see Portis traded for anything, we gave up alot for him and hes been everything we expected him to be, minus the injury this year. Theres a reason teams are chomping at the bit to get Portis, they know how great he is and cant believe hes even available, man does this team love to rip my heart out.
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