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Old 01-23-2007, 12:18 PM   #46
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How convenient that the stats you want to use are the oldest. Look at what they did most recently, please. The score was 28 to 3 against a mediocre Pats offense. That's not good. How is a defense "stepping up" when they give up 34 points to a mediocre offense?

None of those teams you mentioned have top 10 offenses. I'm not saying the Bears do. I'm just saying those stats are garbage, and so is your argument.
The oldest stats?! I'm using stats from this year's playoffs!!!!!! Yeah, the Patriots are known for having a mediocre offense in the playoffs, are you mental?! They have Tom Brady on their team!! Name one player in the NFL you'd fear more to face off against in the playoffs, please!!! Their offense didn't seem to be mediocre when they beat the Chargers defense, or are they not good either?
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:27 PM   #47
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The oldest stats?! I'm using stats from this year's playoffs!!!!!! Yeah, the Patriots are known for having a mediocre offense in the playoffs, are you mental?! They have Tom Brady on their team!! Name one player in the NFL you'd fear more to face off against in the playoffs, please!!! Their offense didn't seem to be mediocre when they beat the Chargers defense, or are they not good either?
I meant oldest as in: the oldest stats of the ones you provided.

Here's a quote from you:
"Are you forgetting how the Patriots normally embarass the Colts during the playoffs because the Colts defense has been so soft?"

You are basically saying the Colts have a strong defense because they beat the Pats, and the Pats have had good offenses in the past (when the Colts couldn't beat them). Weak.

Anyways, let's look at the most recent game:
226 yards passing, 93 yards rushing, 34 points, and 1 sack.

Please tell me how this is indicative of a "nasty" defense -- seriously. They gave up 34 points, for crying out loud!

You also forget that their run defense was one of the worst in the league this year. A couple "good" games (your definition -- not mine), and all of a sudden they have a good defense? Whatever.
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:29 PM   #48
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I meant oldest as in: the oldest stats of the ones you provided.

Here's a quote from you:
"Are you forgetting how the Patriots normally embarass the Colts during the playoffs because the Colts defense has been so soft?"

You are basically saying the Colts have a strong defense because they beat the Pats, and the Pats have had good offenses in the past (when the Colts couldn't beat them). Weak.

Anyways, let's look at the most recent game:
226 yards passing, 93 yards rushing, 34 points, and 1 sack.

Please tell me how this is indicative of a "nasty" defense -- seriously. They gave up 34 points, for crying out loud!

You also forget that their run defense was one of the worst in the league this year. A couple "good" games (your definition -- not mine), and all of a sudden they have a good defense? Whatever.
If I'm correct didn't the Pats have a short field to work with most of the game?
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:34 PM   #49
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???? Explain tough guy. He just beat the Ravens and the Patriots. You don't think their defenses are just as nasty as the Bears, the Ravens defense was even better!


The colts give up the fewest sacks every year because the throws the ball away at the first sign of pressure.

Did you see the ravens game? he was 15-30 with170 yards and no TD's. 5 Field Goals is not going to beat the bears!

The patriots defence is no where near what it once was. No harrison and seymour was limited.

Manning is going to choke, Atleast I hope so.
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:35 PM   #50
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If I'm correct didn't the Pats have a short field to work with most of the game?
You're right. The Colts defense must be nasty. They weren't able to stop the Pats, but only because the field was short.

(sorry to be curt, I just want to make a point)
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:36 PM   #51
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the colts beat the patriots who regardless of record,are probably the best team ever in the playoffs.the bears and AINT'S
were good,but ne or the colts could beat either of them.i'll say 31-17 colts.
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:59 PM   #52
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I meant oldest as in: the oldest stats of the ones you provided.

Here's a quote from you:
"Are you forgetting how the Patriots normally embarass the Colts during the playoffs because the Colts defense has been so soft?"

You are basically saying the Colts have a strong defense because they beat the Pats, and the Pats have had good offenses in the past (when the Colts couldn't beat them). Weak.

Anyways, let's look at the most recent game:
226 yards passing, 93 yards rushing, 34 points, and 1 sack.

Please tell me how this is indicative of a "nasty" defense -- seriously. They gave up 34 points, for crying out loud!

You also forget that their run defense was one of the worst in the league this year. A couple "good" games (your definition -- not mine), and all of a sudden they have a good defense? Whatever.
In the words of Walter Sobchack, as played by John Goodman in one of my favorite movies, THE BIG LEBOWKSI, "You have no frame of reference here GhettoDogAllStar. You're like a small child who's wandered into the middle of a movie and wants to know...." Well I guess if I was you, I'd want to know how to make logical arguments, or actually read what other people write before replying, I hope you're not a lawyer.
Here's a quote for you, "You are basically saying the Colts have a strong defense because they beat the Pats, and the Pats have had good offenses in the past (when the Colts couldn't beat them). Weak. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! Did you seriously not read a word that I wrote. I said they're a good defense because they held LJ to 44 yards, held McNair to 120 yards passing, and because their defense this year helped them beat the Pats, when in the past their defense has let them down against the Pats in the playoffs!!!!! How bout I think their defense is good because they held the Ravens to 6 points!!!!! 6 points in the playoffs!!!! How is that not good?!
And continuing on with your illogical arguments are you saying that we should judge how good a team is based on their last performance?! I mean, that's what you're saying right? That the Colt's defense sucks cause they let the Pats score 34, even though they still won, right? Seriously, think about that for a second. You are judging the Colts defense based on one game out of 3, how does that make any sense? One game against their arch rival, that everyone knew was going to be a dog fight. In addition, everyone knows that the regular season stats don't really matter in the playoffs, it's about getting hot, clicking, and getting healthy at the right time, kinda like the Colts defense.

I on the other hand am going to look at this in a more sensible manner, by looking at how the Colts' defense has played throughout the playoffs.
Average rushing yards for their opponent - 79 yards
Average passing yards for their opponent - 171 yards
Average points for their opponent - 16 points
HOW CAN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THEIR DEFENSE IS NOT GOOD?!?!?!
In addition, they've averaged 2 takeaways per game since the playoffs started!!!

Go sit in your tower.
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Old 01-23-2007, 01:05 PM   #53
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I must have missed it along the way but Ghetto and Gabe what are your SB predictions?
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Old 01-23-2007, 01:07 PM   #54
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I'll take the Colts
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Old 01-23-2007, 02:29 PM   #55
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In the words of Walter Sobchack, as played by John Goodman in one of my favorite movies, THE BIG LEBOWKSI, "You have no frame of reference here GhettoDogAllStar. You're like a small child who's wandered into the middle of a movie and wants to know...." Well I guess if I was you, I'd want to know how to make logical arguments, or actually read what other people write before replying, I hope you're not a lawyer.
Here's a quote for you, "You are basically saying the Colts have a strong defense because they beat the Pats, and the Pats have had good offenses in the past (when the Colts couldn't beat them). Weak. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! Did you seriously not read a word that I wrote. I said they're a good defense because they held LJ to 44 yards, held McNair to 120 yards passing, and because their defense this year helped them beat the Pats, when in the past their defense has let them down against the Pats in the playoffs!!!!! How bout I think their defense is good because they held the Ravens to 6 points!!!!! 6 points in the playoffs!!!! How is that not good?!
And continuing on with your illogical arguments are you saying that we should judge how good a team is based on their last performance?! I mean, that's what you're saying right? That the Colt's defense sucks cause they let the Pats score 34, even though they still won, right? Seriously, think about that for a second. You are judging the Colts defense based on one game out of 3, how does that make any sense? One game against their arch rival, that everyone knew was going to be a dog fight. In addition, everyone knows that the regular season stats don't really matter in the playoffs, it's about getting hot, clicking, and getting healthy at the right time, kinda like the Colts defense.

I on the other hand am going to look at this in a more sensible manner, by looking at how the Colts' defense has played throughout the playoffs.
Average rushing yards for their opponent - 79 yards
Average passing yards for their opponent - 171 yards
Average points for their opponent - 16 points
HOW CAN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THEIR DEFENSE IS NOT GOOD?!?!?!
In addition, they've averaged 2 takeaways per game since the playoffs started!!!

Go sit in your tower.
"You are judging the Colts defense based on one game out of 3, how does that make any sense?"

It's clear that you know I am judging the Colts defense based on the regular season -- not just one game -- as evidenced by the following quote:

"In addition, everyone knows that the regular season stats don't really matter in the playoffs..."

LOL.

Here's an excellent example of the ad hominem fallacy:

"Well I guess if I was you, I'd want to know how to make logical arguments, or actually read what other people write before replying, I hope you're not a lawyer."

Haha. Sounds like a "logical" argument to me. Attack the argument -- not the person.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. In the meantime, calm down.
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Old 01-23-2007, 02:42 PM   #56
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LOL It's clear that you know I am judging the Colts defense based on the regular season. Haha, why would you do that, it's the playoffs.

"Well I guess if I was you, I'd want to know how to make logical arguments, or actually read what other people write before replying, I hope you're not a lawyer."

Haha. Sounds like a "logical" argument to me. Attack the argument -- not the person.

You're right, that's not a "logical" argument. I'm not arguing anything, I'm just telling you what I think. I really hope you're not a lawyer. Maybe you should follow your own advice in "Attack the argument -- not the person." And don't tell people to "Get Real" when they don't agree with you.
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Old 01-23-2007, 02:54 PM   #57
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LOL It's clear that you know I am judging the Colts defense based on the regular season. Haha, why would you do that, it's the playoffs.

"Well I guess if I was you, I'd want to know how to make logical arguments, or actually read what other people write before replying, I hope you're not a lawyer."

Haha. Sounds like a "logical" argument to me. Attack the argument -- not the person.

You're right, that's not a "logical" argument. I'm not arguing anything, I'm just telling you what I think. I really hope you're not a lawyer. Maybe you should follow your own advice in "Attack the argument -- not the person." And don't tell people to "Get Real" when they don't agree with you.
You say you're not arguing anything? We are arguing. There is NO reason to make personal attacks. Just argue your point. How does saying, "I really hope you're not a lawyer," help your argument? That statement adds no value to your argument, so it's not necessary.

I'm judging the Colts defense over 16 games, and you're judging them over 3 games -- one of which they played pretty poorly.

You seem pretty angry. If I offended you by saying "Get Real", then I am sorry. Please forgive me.
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Old 01-23-2007, 03:00 PM   #58
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You're right, it adds no value, I'm just stating an opinion. You can't state opinion on this site?
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You're right, it adds no value, I'm just stating an opinion. You can't state opinion on this site?
I don't know, ask the mods.

IMO, this forum is for stating football opinions (and other off-topic opinions), but not for stating your opinions about other members.
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it may be ok every once in a while
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