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Old 01-29-2007, 03:14 AM   #31
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eagles are favorites right now without a doubt, they are the most stable. giants are out IMO since they have lost tiki and coughlin is a terrible coach and they hate him, cowboys we will have to see who their new coach is, adn for us we have to see what we do with our defense
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Old 01-29-2007, 08:19 AM   #32
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#56Fanatic, I broke your post down into paragraphs. It just makes it a lot easier to read. You had some good points, and I'd hate for people to just gloss over it because of the format.
thanks, i forgot to do that. I get on a roll and just keep typing.
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Old 01-29-2007, 08:55 AM   #33
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I would trade the #6 for a later first, 2nd, and maybe 5th through 7th, what ever we could get. There are quality players out there to be had.

#56Fanatic, I've thought about the idea you posted about trading the #6 pick, and I think that it may be a good idea, but we should wait until after the combine to decide. I think they shold take Branch with the 6th pick if he's still available, and then Gaines Adams if Branch is gone. But, I want whoever judges talent on our team to be confident that these guys are absolute studs, guys they are sure, although I guess you can never be absolutely sure, that can come in and make a difference. If not, I say trade the pick, and try to build some depth. I'd rather trade the pick and get a few good guys, then use the 6th pick on some big name guy, and have him turn out like Mario Williams. I just want to make sure we use that pick in a way that will help our team the most.

2. The linebacking has to get at least 100% better than it was this year. They need to get a middle linebacker who can actually play middle linebacker without the luxury of a huge DT or two in front of him to keep every blocker on the planet off him. And unless Rocky Boy uses the off-season to figure out what the hell he's supposed to be doing in that defense, they need to find an outside linebacker too because neither Holdman nor Rocky Boy were productive last year. And before anyone talks about Rocky's "potential" let me remind everyone that "potential" means he hasn't done jack-sh*t yet.

I personally thought Rocky looked good this year when he was in the game. He made a lot of big hits on special teams and in the two games that he started he played well. Against St. Louis he had 10 tackles. Against the Giants, he had 7. ESPN.com - NFL - Roger McIntosh - Washington Redskins - Player Card
When you say he hasn't done jack shit, I disagree, ten tackles in his first start is not jack shit. He also made a huge play in the game against the Rams when he ran onto the field late in a 3rd and short and popped Stephen Jackson to stop him from getting the first down. Him and Golston are gonna me money next year.
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Old 01-29-2007, 12:31 PM   #34
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kearse is a non factor. guaranteed to be hurt at some point of the season
Your might be right. But even w/out Kearse and DM they still won the division and won a playoff game. And could have advanced to the championship game. So they are still the favorites.
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Old 01-29-2007, 01:52 PM   #35
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I would consider them the favorite as well. I would however, not consider them a lock. That presents us with a very doable oppurtunity. We also have wild card possibility. I think it will be a good year on the rebound! Can't wait
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Old 01-29-2007, 01:59 PM   #36
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Your might be right. But even w/out Kearse and DM they still won the division and won a playoff game. And could have advanced to the championship game. So they are still the favorites.
Agreed- No reason think they won't be. This team was very close to being in the NFC championship game again. The Redskins were 5-11. That's a prett fat gap to close in one year. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Old 01-29-2007, 02:19 PM   #37
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Your might be right. But even w/out Kearse and DM they still won the division and won a playoff game. And could have advanced to the championship game. So they are still the favorites.
Well, it's not like Garcia was a replacement level QB either. This season he played slightly worse than McNabb did, and McNabb was in the midst of his best season as a pro before the injury.

One thing you get with Garcia that you don't get with McNabb is consistency. McNabb can have stretches of games where he can go 3 and a half quarters making poor reads, overthrowing guys, and not doing the things with his legs that he's capable of. He has other games where he comes out of the gate in the zone and posts ridiculous numbers. It's a lot like Grossman in Chicago, but McNabb rarely gets picked even on his bad days (this is probably mostly an experience thing, but also McNabb is fortunate that his poorly thrown incompletions fall harmlessly to the turf whereas Grossman's find a way into the hands of a defensive back). All in all it averages out to a pretty good QB. But the Eagles as a team probably aren't too much better off offensively with Donovan than with Garcia; it's splitting hairs.

Kearse is...overrated. They let Derrick Burgess walk to make room for Kearse, and Burgess is probably the better player.

If the only thing that mattered was starting lineups, we are probably better than Philly. But they do a great job rotating in fresh defensive talent, and are built to deal well with injuries, and in an imperfect world like the NFL have a great chance to finish better than us.
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Old 01-29-2007, 02:26 PM   #38
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Agreed- No reason think they won't be. This team was very close to being in the NFC championship game again. The Redskins were 5-11. That's a prett fat gap to close in one year. I'll believe it when I see it.
Not to take anything away from the Eagles, who did a great job winning the NFC's strongest division at clearly less than full strength, but anytime you have a team who had to play 3 consecutive road games in the division and won all three of them, the opposition blew it. We could have won but didn't, the Giants had it easier than us and choked, and the Cowboys had it easiest and they really choked. Does this make the Giants and Cowboys worse? Not really. They just didn't play their best football when it mattered most, and paid with wild cards instead of a division championship.
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Old 01-29-2007, 02:49 PM   #39
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One thing you get with Garcia that you don't get with McNabb is consistency. McNabb can have stretches of games where he can go 3 and a half quarters making poor reads, overthrowing guys, and not doing the things with his legs that he's capable of. He has other games where he comes out of the gate in the zone and posts ridiculous numbers. It's a lot like Grossman in Chicago, but McNabb rarely gets picked even on his bad days (this is probably mostly an experience thing, but also McNabb is fortunate that his poorly thrown incompletions fall harmlessly to the turf whereas Grossman's find a way into the hands of a defensive back). All in all it averages out to a pretty good QB. But the Eagles as a team probably aren't too much better off offensively with Donovan than with Garcia; it's splitting hairs.
I agree with the rest of your post, but not your point about McNabb. Obviously, as this season proved, the Eagles offense is good even when McNabb is MIA. That said, I think McNabb is one of the best QBs in the league and is pretty consistent.

Garcia had a great year, but he looked horrible in Detroit and Cleveland. Granted, those teams are awful, but he was just off for the past two years. I guarantee that if Garcia goes somewhere else this offseason to become a starter, he'll tank.
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Old 01-29-2007, 02:54 PM   #40
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Hello All.

I've been in rehab since Tony Romo bobbled a pooch kick field goal.

Question: There is a rumour that Charlie Casserly might be coming to Dallas as a Associate GM type.

What was his time like in Washington?
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I'll tell you this: don't believe the hype.

People are blowing their wads over him, but if you do some research he's had his hits and misses like anyone else in this league.
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Old 01-29-2007, 02:56 PM   #42
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I agree with the rest of your post, but not your point about McNabb. Obviously, as this season proved, the Eagles offense is good even when McNabb is MIA. That said, I think McNabb is one of the best QBs in the league and is pretty consistent.

Garcia had a great year, but he looked horrible in Detroit and Cleveland. Granted, those teams are awful, but he was just off for the past two years. I guarantee that if Garcia goes somewhere else this offseason to become a starter, he'll tank.
SGG, Garcia may have played poor with Cleveland and Detroit but those two franchises are two of the most underachieving teams in the NFL. He played at a Pro Bowl level in San Francisco. I agree that McNabb is a little better but Garcia's not too bad. If Dallas or the Giants were to pick him up as a backup to Rhomo or Ellie, I think he could be just as effective as a starter as he was with Philly.
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SGG, Garcia may have played poor with Cleveland and Detroit but those two franchises are two of the most underachieving teams in the NFL. He played at a Pro Bowl level in San Francisco. I agree that McNabb is a little better but Garcia's not too bad. If Dallas or the Giants were to pick him up as a backup to Rhomo or Ellie, I think he could be just as effective as a starter as he was with Philly.
Yeah, I conceded that Detroit and Cleveland are two horrible teams. But, Jon Kitna was able to put up 4,208 yards last season. I'm in Wisconsin and got to see a lot of NFC North action over the past few years. In watching the Lions, Garcia looked dreadful and not just because he was getting pressure. And I seem to recall that he was starting to struggle in San Fran in 2003.
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SGG, Garcia may have played poor with Cleveland and Detroit but those two franchises are two of the most underachieving teams in the NFL. He played at a Pro Bowl level in San Francisco. I agree that McNabb is a little better but Garcia's not too bad. If Dallas or the Giants were to pick him up as a backup to Rhomo or Ellie, I think he could be just as effective as a starter as he was with Philly.
Garcia's career can be summed up this way:
San Fran - Great O Line, great play from Garcia
Cleveland, Detroit - Sucky O Lines, miserable play from Garcia
Philly - Great O Line, great play from Garcia

If he's smart, he re-ups with Philly to be McNabb's backup. He's a very capable QB, who could start for plenty of teams in the NFL...as long as they have a decent O Line.

And Drafts and FAs aside, the Skins still have a long way to go in order to overtake the other teams in the East. The Skins can compete, but in order to be top dog, you have to overtake.
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Garcia's career can be summed up this way:
San Fran - Great O Line, great play from Garcia
Cleveland, Detroit - Sucky O Lines, miserable play from Garcia
Philly - Great O Line, great play from Garcia

If he's smart, he re-ups with Philly to be McNabb's backup. He's a very capable QB, who could start for plenty of teams in the NFL...as long as they have a decent O Line.

And Drafts and FAs aside, the Skins still have a long way to go in order to overtake the other teams in the East. The Skins can compete, but in order to be top dog, you have to overtake.
Good words. The Skin's greatest adversaries year in and year out are themselves. Having competitive teams in your division doesn't make it easy. Once they can get a plan in which all of the coaches are on board and most of the players are on board with (I would say "all" but come on). Then the talent that is already there can achieve what we envision already.
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