With Doc gone now, do we get a compensatory pick?

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 03-05-2007, 10:29 AM

So here is a question I pose to the guys with the most buissness knowledge of the NFL. Do we get a compensatory pick for losing Doc, if so do we get it this year or next, and what round would it be? Thanks for the info.

SouperMeister · 03-05-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

So here is a question I pose to the guys with the most buissness knowledge of the NFL. Do we get a compensatory pick for losing Doc, if so do we get it this year or next, and what round would it be? Thanks for the info.

No. Doc was an unrestricted free agent.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 03-05-2007, 10:42 AM

Ok thanks guys. I wasn't sure.

I know the difference between the two but, I thought for some reason that the NFL gave out more picks for players leaving in free agency. Here's my example. A couple of years ago the Broncos drafted Maurice Clarett at the end of day one , with a end of the 3rd round pick they recieved from the NFL because they lost a player in free agency.

Now I know about RFA and unrestricted, but doesn't RFA mean the team that signs player x has to give thier draft picks. Not extra picks given to them by the NFL.

Am I wrong here or am I on the right track.

Bushead · 03-05-2007, 10:48 AM

Your on the right track...but i don't think it happens until NEXT season. They look at a whole assortment of things, like how much it affected you and blah blah blah...i'm pretty sure we got one after smoot and pierce left that one year.

RedskinPete · 03-05-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushead

Your on the right track...but i don't think it happens until NEXT season. They look at a whole assortment of things, like how much it affected you and blah blah blah...i'm pretty sure we got one after smoot and pierce left that one year.

Not Pierce because we didn't draft him in 01. He was a free agent pick up out of college by the Redskins. Not subject to compensation!

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 03-05-2007, 10:53 AM

Thanks Bushead I know I wasn't going crazy here. Maybe we only got one after those two players left because Pierce was an URFA after the draft and not a second round pick like Smoot was.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 03-05-2007, 10:53 AM

beat me too it Pete

That Guy · 03-05-2007, 11:28 AM

we lost one starter, but signed two more, the contract values are pretty equal, so at best we might get a pick around 250 (or 255). i'd guess we'd get nothing though.

JoeRedskin · 03-05-2007, 12:17 PM

I may be wrong, but I think the two we signed are not considered since the team we signed them from did not draft them. I thought the compensatory draft picks only considered players signed from their original teams for whom the team had used a draft pick to obtain.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 03-05-2007, 12:44 PM

Will it be next year then or this year? Anyone know for sure on that?

BrudLee · 03-05-2007, 01:07 PM

Lots of things enter into the compensatory draft formula: original draft position, value of the contract, games played under the new contract, and the ability to spell "ridiculous" after a few cocktails. While Dockery's value as a second round player who is making an ass-load of cash should help, his compensatory value will depend upon his ability to stay healthy for the Bills. Also, if one more person spells it "rediculous", we may actually forfeit a pick.

JWsleep · 03-05-2007, 01:08 PM

Points received for losing Dock--250

Points lost for being the Redskins--251

Result: no picks!

SouperMeister · 03-05-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

Lots of things enter into the compensatory draft formula: original draft position, value of the contract, games played under the new contract, and the ability to spell "ridiculous" after a few cocktails. While Dockery's value as a second round player who is making an ass-load of cash should help, his compensatory value will depend upon his ability to stay healthy for the Bills. Also, if one more person spells it "rediculous", we may actually forfeit a pick.

I repeat, Doc is an unrestricted free agent, so we won't receive any compensatory picks from Buffalo. After four years in the league, a player whose contract has expired becomes unrestricted for upcoming free agency. Restricted Free Agency only applies to guys whose contracts have expired within their first 3 years in the league. Laveranues Coles and Matt Bowen are both excellent examples of players the Skins have picked up as RFA's, and had to compensate their prior teams with draft choices.

FRPLG · 03-05-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I repeat, Doc is an unrestricted free agent, so we won't receive any compensatory picks from Buffalo. After four years in the league, a player whose contract has expired becomes unrestricted for upcoming free agency. Restricted Free Agency only applies to guys whose contracts have expired within their first 3 years in the league. Laveranues Coles and Matt Bowen are both excellent examples of players the Skins have picked up as RFA's, and had to compensate their prior teams with draft choices.

Dude you're totally not even on the same page. They are not talking about teams signing free agents and awarding compensatory picks to their former teams. They are talking about compensatory picks awarded by the league under a formula. This discussion has nothing to do with RFAs since they do not have anything to do with the compensatory draft pick formula which the league administers.

SmootSmack · 03-05-2007, 03:56 PM

Just to be clear Soup, this is what we are talking about

Section 2. Number of Choices and Eligibility:
(a) The Draft shall consist of seven rounds, with each round consisting of the same number of selection choices as there will be Clubs in the NFL the following League Year, plus a maximum number of additional Compensatory Draft Selections equal to the number of Clubs then in the League, with such Compensatory Draft Selections reserved for Clubs losing certain Unrestricted Free Agents. Each Draft shall be held between February 14 and May 2, on a date which shall be determined by the Commissioner.

http://nflpa.org/pdfs/Agents/CBA_Amended_2006.pdf (page 35)

03-05-2007, 10:29 AM	#1
artmonkforhallofamein07 HST - "Hey Rube" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 3,906	With Doc gone now, do we get a compensatory pick? So here is a question I pose to the guys with the most buissness knowledge of the NFL. Do we get a compensatory pick for losing Doc, if so do we get it this year or next, and what round would it be? Thanks for the info. __________________ Robert Griffin III welcome to the Washington Redskins! Year 1 - NFC EAST Champions at 10-6 Year 2 - Comeback player of the year??? 12-4??? Divisional round playoff game at home??? Superbowl??? 8-8 or worse??? We just have to wait impatiently to find out. http://site.fandangoracinginc.com/

03-05-2007, 10:42 AM	#3
artmonkforhallofamein07 HST - "Hey Rube" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 3,906	Re: With Doc gone now, do we get a compensation pick? Ok thanks guys. I wasn't sure. I know the difference between the two but, I thought for some reason that the NFL gave out more picks for players leaving in free agency. Here's my example. A couple of years ago the Broncos drafted Maurice Clarett at the end of day one , with a end of the 3rd round pick they recieved from the NFL because they lost a player in free agency. Now I know about RFA and unrestricted, but doesn't RFA mean the team that signs player x has to give thier draft picks. Not extra picks given to them by the NFL. Am I wrong here or am I on the right track. __________________ Robert Griffin III welcome to the Washington Redskins! Year 1 - NFC EAST Champions at 10-6 Year 2 - Comeback player of the year??? 12-4??? Divisional round playoff game at home??? Superbowl??? 8-8 or worse??? We just have to wait impatiently to find out. http://site.fandangoracinginc.com/

03-05-2007, 10:48 AM	#4
Bushead Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 695	Re: With Doc gone now, do we get a compensation pick? Your on the right track...but i don't think it happens until NEXT season. They look at a whole assortment of things, like how much it affected you and blah blah blah...i'm pretty sure we got one after smoot and pierce left that one year.

03-05-2007, 10:53 AM	#6
artmonkforhallofamein07 HST - "Hey Rube" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 3,906	Re: With Doc gone now, do we get a compensation pick? Thanks Bushead I know I wasn't going crazy here. Maybe we only got one after those two players left because Pierce was an URFA after the draft and not a second round pick like Smoot was. __________________ Robert Griffin III welcome to the Washington Redskins! Year 1 - NFC EAST Champions at 10-6 Year 2 - Comeback player of the year??? 12-4??? Divisional round playoff game at home??? Superbowl??? 8-8 or worse??? We just have to wait impatiently to find out. http://site.fandangoracinginc.com/

03-05-2007, 10:53 AM	#7
artmonkforhallofamein07 HST - "Hey Rube" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 3,906	Re: With Doc gone now, do we get a compensation pick? beat me too it Pete __________________ Robert Griffin III welcome to the Washington Redskins! Year 1 - NFC EAST Champions at 10-6 Year 2 - Comeback player of the year??? 12-4??? Divisional round playoff game at home??? Superbowl??? 8-8 or worse??? We just have to wait impatiently to find out. http://site.fandangoracinginc.com/

03-05-2007, 11:28 AM	#8
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,621	Re: With Doc gone now, do we get a compensation pick? we lost one starter, but signed two more, the contract values are pretty equal, so at best we might get a pick around 250 (or 255). i'd guess we'd get nothing though. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

03-05-2007, 12:17 PM	#9
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,144	Re: With Doc gone now, do we get a compensation pick? I may be wrong, but I think the two we signed are not considered since the team we signed them from did not draft them. I thought the compensatory draft picks only considered players signed from their original teams for whom the team had used a draft pick to obtain. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

03-05-2007, 12:44 PM	#10
artmonkforhallofamein07 HST - "Hey Rube" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 3,906	Re: With Doc gone now, do we get a compensation pick? Will it be next year then or this year? Anyone know for sure on that? __________________ Robert Griffin III welcome to the Washington Redskins! Year 1 - NFC EAST Champions at 10-6 Year 2 - Comeback player of the year??? 12-4??? Divisional round playoff game at home??? Superbowl??? 8-8 or worse??? We just have to wait impatiently to find out. http://site.fandangoracinginc.com/

03-05-2007, 01:07 PM	#11
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: With Doc gone now, do we get a compensation pick? Lots of things enter into the compensatory draft formula: original draft position, value of the contract, games played under the new contract, and the ability to spell "ridiculous" after a few cocktails. While Dockery's value as a second round player who is making an ass-load of cash should help, his compensatory value will depend upon his ability to stay healthy for the Bills. Also, if one more person spells it "rediculous", we may actually forfeit a pick. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

03-05-2007, 01:08 PM	#12
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 44 Posts: 4,576	Re: With Doc gone now, do we get a compensation pick? Points received for losing Dock--250 Points lost for being the Redskins--251 Result: no picks! __________________ Hail from Houston!

03-05-2007, 03:56 PM	#15
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,099	Re: With Doc gone now, do we get a compensation pick? Just to be clear Soup, this is what we are talking about Section 2. Number of Choices and Eligibility: (a) The Draft shall consist of seven rounds, with each round consisting of the same number of selection choices as there will be Clubs in the NFL the following League Year, plus a maximum number of additional Compensatory Draft Selections equal to the number of Clubs then in the League, with such Compensatory Draft Selections reserved for Clubs losing certain Unrestricted Free Agents. Each Draft shall be held between February 14 and May 2, on a date which shall be determined by the Commissioner. http://nflpa.org/pdfs/Agents/CBA_Amended_2006.pdf (page 35) __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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