ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will....

Schneed10 · 03-10-2007, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

i cant stand fred smoot. hes a fan lollypop, everyone loves to yell smoooooot when he makes a play. same with cooooooley, shit anyones name they can do that with people love. lets not forget this loud mouth penalty making machine. he loves washington, no shit, we welcome him with open arms. hes not that good people. the only quality about him i like is that hes physical. but does getting smoot really better our situation, NOOOOO!!!! we are still trying to aquire more corners, why! if smoot was that good we would be done shopping.

can someone please explain to me why nobody other than myself has critisized this move bringing him here.....?

Asinine post.

skinsguy · 03-10-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl4064

can someone please explain to me why nobody other than myself has critisized this move bringing him here.....?

Because mostly all of us agree that it was a good move to get Smoot back, and was a bad move to ever get rid of him in the first place.

4mrusmc · 03-10-2007, 04:55 PM

Here is another pro Smoot comment: He was also apart of the 2004 defense that was so damn good. He's just one player, but in my mind, a very good one that was ripe for the picking. Good job F.O.!!!!!!

SantanaMan · 03-10-2007, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

i cant stand fred smoot. hes a fan lollypop, everyone loves to yell smoooooot when he makes a play. same with cooooooley, shit anyones name they can do that with people love. lets not forget this loud mouth penalty making machine. he loves washington, no shit, we welcome him with open arms. hes not that good people. the only quality about him i like is that hes physical. but does getting smoot really better our situation, NOOOOO!!!! we are still trying to aquire more corners, why! if smoot was that good we would be done shopping.

can someone please explain to me why nobody other than myself has critisized this move bringing him here.....?

Fred Smoot is a fan favorite, his play for the Redskins MADE him the fan favorite and he earnt the adulation he gets from us. The chants of "Smooooooooot" are due to this, not because he has a cool name!
Same with Cooley, if he plays like Christian Fauria we don't scream "Cooooley", simple as.
Getting Smoot here definitely upgrades our CB depth, MUCH rather have Smoot out there than Wright/Rumph - anyone who thinks otherwise had better step away from the crackpipe!
If Smoot was so good we would be done CB shopping? I didn't realise he could morph into more than 1 person - did you see a game last year, our CB play (and depth) was terrible, Smoot is just the first part of an upgrade (or overhaul) - with better corners we might just cover WRs long enough to allow our D-line to get to the QB this year.
We're bringing in a guy that already knows the staff, players, system, location, owner - a guy that will have no problems settling in.
Loud mouth penalty machine - I'll agree with you on the 1st (but not about Fred Smoot) :-p
Why is no-one else critisizing the move? A rhetorical question if you ask me.
Go watch some Skins games from back in Smoots early days and you should remember what we all do.

70Chip · 03-10-2007, 05:10 PM

I admit that I haven't seen Smoot play much the last two years. Who wants to watch Minnesota playing in that shitty dome? However, his play here was fine. The reason he was a fan favorite is that he played well, and with tremendous courage. I agree that sometimes fans like a player so much they can't see it when he starts to suck (cough Lavar) and Smoot may have gone downhill fast, but I didn't see it two years ago. He is still relatively young and if he is injury free, I expect good things.

Defensewins · 03-10-2007, 06:07 PM

While I do not agree with chrisl4064's extreme view, I do agree that some folks have a short memory about Smoot's play.
It seems the big Smoot fans only remember the good and not the bad. Unless Smoot finally found his way to the weight room he is 175 pounds soaking wet and with sand in his pockets. While Smoot likes to hit, he will lose against big RB's or Te's.
I still remember the awful game Smoot had as a Redskin in St. Louis against Torry Holt . Torry Holt had a career game and made Smoot look terrible. I was not saddened to see Smoot leave because like recently departed Dockery, Smoot is not worth the contract Vikings signed him for. We were smart not to match and the Vikings found this out the hard way and cut him. WHile Gibbs is putting a good spin on the story of Smoot leaving and now coming back, Smoot is a good CB, not great. He will be a great #3 cb, but not a great #2 or #1. Improvement over last years #3 CB? Yes.

BrudLee · 03-10-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

While I do not agree with chrisl4064's extreme view, I do agree that some folks have a short memory about Smoot's play.
It seems the big Smoot fans only remember the good and not the bad. Unless Smoot finally found his way to the weight room he is 175 pounds soaking wet and with sand in his pockets. While Smoot likes to hit, he will lose against big RB's or Te's.
I still remember the awful game Smoot had as a Redskin in St. Louis against Torry Holt . Torry Holt had a career game and made Smoot look terrible. I was not saddened to see Smoot leave because like recently departed Dockery, Smoot is not worth the contract Vikings signed him for. We were smart not to match and the Vikings found this out the hard way and cut him. WHile Gibbs is putting a good spin on the story of Smoot leaving and now coming back, Smoot is a good CB, not great. He will be a great #3 cb, but not a great #2 or #1. Improvement over last years #3 CB? Yes.

Smoot is a classic #2 - the game you mentioned has him matched one-on-one with Torry Holt. Torry Holt is one of the best receivers in the league statistically, so he's going to beat a #2 every time. Smoot was ill-prepared for a feature role, and it showed. He still had a good enough year to earn a payday from another team, so we lost him.

This team doesn't need him to be a star, but in his career he's been able to shime in smaller roles. It was a good pickup at a good price for us.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-10-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Asinine post.

seriously he is really losing it what is that guy talking about but couldnt agree with you more

EternalEnigma21 · 03-10-2007, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

i cant stand fred smoot. hes a fan lollypop, everyone loves to yell smoooooot when he makes a play. same with cooooooley, shit anyones name they can do that with people love. lets not forget this loud mouth penalty making machine. he loves washington, no shit, we welcome him with open arms. hes not that good people. the only quality about him i like is that hes physical. but does getting smoot really better our situation, NOOOOO!!!! we are still trying to aquire more corners, why! if smoot was that good we would be done shopping.

can someone please explain to me why nobody other than myself has critisized this move bringing him here.....?

i see you're from the middle east... enemy of freedom would be an enemy of fred smoot...

j/k... but your sig tells me all i need to know about your football mindset... to each his own

sandtrapjack · 03-10-2007, 09:22 PM

Wow, guys the sky is not falling with Smoot coming back to town. I think everyone is getting overly concerned about the secondary because the front 7 were not near as effective in 2006 as they were in 2005.

From the games that I saw in 2005 compared to 2006, the defensive front (in '05) was much more effective at getting in the QB's face early on a and forcing an early release.

That same quality was not there for the Skins in 2006.

Show me a defense that gets early pressure on a QB and even a mediocre defensive back can excel from that.

So you get Smoot in the offseason, and in April get a day one DE and/or LB and see where it gets you from there. I think the 'Skins will be just fine.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-10-2007, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

i cant stand fred smoot. hes a fan lollypop, everyone loves to yell smoooooot when he makes a play. same with cooooooley, shit anyones name they can do that with people love. lets not forget this loud mouth penalty making machine. he loves washington, no shit, we welcome him with open arms. hes not that good people. the only quality about him i like is that hes physical. but does getting smoot really better our situation, NOOOOO!!!! we are still trying to aquire more corners, why! if smoot was that good we would be done shopping.

can someone please explain to me why nobody other than myself has critisized this move bringing him here.....?

dude really what the hell are you talking about this was a great move fred smoot is the only redskins to EVER lead the skins in interceptions his first three seasons in the league and he was a great cover corner for us and will be a great number 2 this year

HAIL TO GENERAL SILKY JOHNSON!!!!!!!!!!!! aka (fred smoot)

4mrusmc · 03-10-2007, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Wow, guys the sky is not falling with Smoot coming back to town. I think everyone is getting overly concerned about the secondary because the front 7 were not near as effective in 2006 as they were in 2005.

From the games that I saw in 2005 compared to 2006, the defensive front (in '05) was much more effective at getting in the QB's face early on a and forcing an early release.

That same quality was not there for the Skins in 2006.

Show me a defense that gets early pressure on a QB and even a mediocre defensive back can excel from that.

So you get Smoot in the offseason, and in April get a day one DE and/or LB and see where it gets you from there. I think the 'Skins will be just fine.

Yeah sandtrap, you hit nail on the head! We simply had no pressure on the qb. And, another (unpopular) reason was because of lavar NOT being here. Throw stones anyone???????????

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-10-2007, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

Yeah sandtrap, you hit nail on the head! We simply had no pressure on the qb. And, another (unpopular) reason was because of lavar NOT being here. Throw stones anyone???????????

i miss lavar arrington the pre knee injury arrington and even some of the post injury arrington he was really nice i wouldnt be opposed to bring him back for a team friendly contract and i know i am going to get ripped for this

JGisLordOfTheRings · 03-10-2007, 09:38 PM

Bah...Lavar can suck an egg. He was physically talanted but DAMN was he annoying! If we can sign a decent DE in the draft on day, like sandtrapjack said, we should be just fine. Having Smooty back will help the secondary and maybe the DL play will increase in explosiveness as well.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-10-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

Bah...Lavar can suck an egg. He was physically talanted but DAMN was he annoying! If we can sign a decent DE in the draft on day, like sandtrapjack said, we should be just fine. Having Smooty back will help the secondary and maybe the DL play will increase in explosiveness as well.

while this is true you cant say that the guy wasnt a playmaker and whatever happened to the supposed bly trade and did we even sign travis fisher cause i cant find a source that says that we did

03-10-2007, 04:55 PM	#18
4mrusmc Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 43 Posts: 558	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... Here is another pro Smoot comment: He was also apart of the 2004 defense that was so damn good. He's just one player, but in my mind, a very good one that was ripe for the picking. Good job F.O.!!!!!!

03-10-2007, 05:10 PM	#20
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 42 Posts: 3,048	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... I admit that I haven't seen Smoot play much the last two years. Who wants to watch Minnesota playing in that shitty dome? However, his play here was fine. The reason he was a fan favorite is that he played well, and with tremendous courage. I agree that sometimes fans like a player so much they can't see it when he starts to suck (cough Lavar) and Smoot may have gone downhill fast, but I didn't see it two years ago. He is still relatively young and if he is injury free, I expect good things. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

03-10-2007, 06:07 PM	#21
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,759	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... While I do not agree with chrisl4064's extreme view, I do agree that some folks have a short memory about Smoot's play. It seems the big Smoot fans only remember the good and not the bad. Unless Smoot finally found his way to the weight room he is 175 pounds soaking wet and with sand in his pockets. While Smoot likes to hit, he will lose against big RB's or Te's. I still remember the awful game Smoot had as a Redskin in St. Louis against Torry Holt . Torry Holt had a career game and made Smoot look terrible. I was not saddened to see Smoot leave because like recently departed Dockery, Smoot is not worth the contract Vikings signed him for. We were smart not to match and the Vikings found this out the hard way and cut him. WHile Gibbs is putting a good spin on the story of Smoot leaving and now coming back, Smoot is a good CB, not great. He will be a great #3 cb, but not a great #2 or #1. Improvement over last years #3 CB? Yes.

03-10-2007, 09:22 PM	#25
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,545	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... Wow, guys the sky is not falling with Smoot coming back to town. I think everyone is getting overly concerned about the secondary because the front 7 were not near as effective in 2006 as they were in 2005. From the games that I saw in 2005 compared to 2006, the defensive front (in '05) was much more effective at getting in the QB's face early on a and forcing an early release. That same quality was not there for the Skins in 2006. Show me a defense that gets early pressure on a QB and even a mediocre defensive back can excel from that. So you get Smoot in the offseason, and in April get a day one DE and/or LB and see where it gets you from there. I think the 'Skins will be just fine.

03-10-2007, 09:38 PM	#29
JGisLordOfTheRings The Starter Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Richmond VA Age: 27 Posts: 2,186	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... Bah...Lavar can suck an egg. He was physically talanted but DAMN was he annoying! If we can sign a decent DE in the draft on day, like sandtrapjack said, we should be just fine. Having Smooty back will help the secondary and maybe the DL play will increase in explosiveness as well. __________________ Creator of the Useless Thread

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