ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will....

PFunk26 · 03-10-2007, 09:49 PM

I'd like to add that coming from a Viking Fan family I watch the Vikes alot to, they never get any pressure in the passing game either, They are very similar to us, the williams in the middle can stop the run but no outside pressure, leading to poor corner play

Defensewins · 03-10-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

....He still had a good enough year to earn a payday from another team, so we lost him...

Then he proceeded to play so below expectation that the Vikings cut him. He is not coming back a hero. He went to a team that was supposed to be a few players away from a Super Bowl and what happened? He is not coming back on a good note.
I think Smoot is more of a classic #3 corner, not #2. IMO Smoot would have problems with a team like the Colts that have a strong #2 WR.

4mrusmc · 03-10-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Then he proceeded to play so below expectation that the Vikings cut him. He is not coming back a hero. He went to a team that was supposed to be a few players away from a Super Bowl and what happened? He is not coming back on a good note.
I think Smoot is more of a classic #3 corner, not #2. IMO Smoot would have problems with a team like the Colts that have a strong #2 WR.

I couldn't agree with anything you said. Smoot will sure up our secondary and gives us another option, if Springs is not on the team. The vikings were a couple of players short of the super bowl? I've said this before, but Smoot was on our team in 2004 when our defense was top 5 in the NFL. This guy brings heart and skills to his position. We just need a defensive line that can put pressure and force turnovers. I'm sure that we can all agree on that last statement.

EternalEnigma21 · 03-10-2007, 10:16 PM

I just have feeling on our team that he will be a number 2... rogers isn't showing that much promis yet, and we should be seeing something from our #9 pick by now...

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 03-10-2007, 10:22 PM

i'm glad smoot back should have never let smoot go in the first place.

4mrusmc · 03-10-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by canthetuna

I just have feeling on our team that he will be a number 2... rogers isn't showing that much promis yet, and we should be seeing something from our #9 pick by now...

Agreed tuna. But, this offseason our boy c-los will be training with D. Green and (gasp) neon deion. C-los just had the sophomore jinx this past year. I think we all expect great things from him this coming season. He just needs to stop giving the receiver a 10 yard cushion.

Skins_4_Lyfe · 03-10-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

Agreed tuna. But, this offseason our boy c-los will be training with D. Green and (gasp) neon deion. C-los just had the sophomore jinx this past year. I think we all expect great things from him this coming season. He just needs to stop giving the receiver a 10 yard cushion.

I would'nt get my hopes up... this is what I think of Carlos

GiantsSuck703 · 03-11-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisl4064

i cant stand fred smoot. hes a fan lollypop, everyone loves to yell smoooooot when he makes a play. same with cooooooley, shit anyones name they can do that with people love. lets not forget this loud mouth penalty making machine. he loves washington, no shit, we welcome him with open arms. hes not that good people. the only quality about him i like is that hes physical. but does getting smoot really better our situation, NOOOOO!!!! we are still trying to aquire more corners, why! if smoot was that good we would be done shopping.

can someone please explain to me why nobody other than myself has critisized this move bringing him here.....?

Well heres my problem with what your saying, does Jeremiah Trotter ring a bell, he was an average player as a Redskin, but a dominant MLB for the Eagles, NFL players have a comfort level just like any other human being. Fred Smoot openly has said he didnt like being in Minnesota, hes a Redskin, those were Joe Gibbs words, and i have a feeling that Joe Gibbs is a better judge of talent than you are. Fred Smoot is going to surprise alot of people, the sad thing is it seems you have already forgotten after two short years, that Fred Smoot became a fan favorite, not for his name, but for his heart and his play on the field. I welcome back Fred Smoot, and will be right there saying "I told you so" when he plays like the old Fred Smoot, the Redskin Fred Smoot.

chrisl4064 · 03-11-2007, 01:19 PM

ok, apparently nobody agrees with my view on fred smoot and how i think he is a penalty machine. however, why are we still shopping for corners? why are there rumors of us getting rid of springs? is carlos rogers a #2? im sorry fellas, but im not a big fan of bringing players back after we have already gotten rid of them. i dont care what gibbs has said about him. ive seen him play. we obviously will see what happens when the season starts. but dont sit there and tell me (as some of you have) that he will be fine with being a #3. if thats the case expect a little bit of bitching on his side and rightly so.

if you guys are right and he shines then so be it. my comment came out of disgust that we havent done shit with the D-line yet. ive seen kerney go places and other free agents and im a little pissed we havent fixed anything with the D-line which imo is our weakest point.

go ahead and ban my ass if smoot leads the team in picks, it wont happen.
i would rather have made moves on the D-line first.

skinsguy · 03-11-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl4064

ok, apparently nobody agrees with my view on fred smoot and how i think he is a penalty machine. however, why are we still shopping for corners?

Depth. Smoot is a solid #2 corner and Rogers hasn't proven himself yet. Smoot is still a huge upgrade from what we had last season, and if we can keep Springs, then having Smoot, Rogers, Springs, and Taylor in the secondary shold be an upgrade for us.

skinsfan_nn · 03-11-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl4064

ok, apparently nobody agrees with my view on fred smoot and how i think he is a penalty machine. however, why are we still shopping for corners? why are there rumors of us getting rid of springs? is carlos rogers a #2? im sorry fellas, but im not a big fan of bringing players back after we have already gotten rid of them. i dont care what gibbs has said about him. ive seen him play. we obviously will see what happens when the season starts. but dont sit there and tell me (as some of you have) that he will be fine with being a #3. if thats the case expect a little bit of bitching on his side and rightly so.

if you guys are right and he shines then so be it. my comment came out of disgust that we havent done shit with the D-line yet. ive seen kerney go places and other free agents and im a little pissed we havent fixed anything with the D-line which imo is our weakest point.

go ahead and ban my ass if smoot leads the team in picks, it wont happen.
i would rather have made moves on the D-line first.

If I'm not mistaken I think the first two moves we made were FLETCH & SMOOT, is that the O-LINE?

We did start with the defense were we need the most help, and hopefully will make another move or so on that side of the ball in FA the rest will be in the DRAFT (DE/DT).

I'm not sure what you were watching with SMOOT? However, most people with just a little bit of football knowledge including Coach Joe Gibbs, see a decent corner that we need badly. He has great potential to have an outstanding year!

Your point makes ZERO sense in my opinion!

That Guy · 03-11-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl4064

im sorry fellas, but im not a big fan of bringing players back after we have already gotten rid of them.

go ahead and ban my ass if smoot leads the team in picks, it wont happen.
i would rather have made moves on the D-line first.

first, we didn't get rid of him, he got away with a contract that was front loaded.

second, what move was there to make at D-line? kerney was the closest thing to a game changer, and he's 30 and coming off a bad year. We have lots of 30+ DLinemen, and the right move is getting a young guy that could be good and stay around a while. that's what the draft and that #6 pick are for.

dmek25 · 03-11-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Well heres my problem with what your saying, does Jeremiah Trotter ring a bell, he was an average player as a Redskin, but a dominant MLB for the Eagles, NFL players have a comfort level just like any other human being. Fred Smoot openly has said he didnt like being in Minnesota, hes a Redskin, those were Joe Gibbs words, and i have a feeling that Joe Gibbs is a better judge of talent than you are. Fred Smoot is going to surprise alot of people, the sad thing is it seems you have already forgotten after two short years, that Fred Smoot became a fan favorite, not for his name, but for his heart and his play on the field. I welcome back Fred Smoot, and will be right there saying "I told you so" when he plays like the old Fred Smoot, the Redskin Fred Smoot.

while i like smooty coming back, you assessment of trotter is way off base. trotter is good in the eagles system. but in my eyes one of the most over rated players in this league.

Crazyhorse1 · 03-11-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

yeah, we need springs to be the #1, cause rogers and smoot probably can't handle it.

but seriously, smoot played with a broken sternum... a BROKEN STERNUM! throwing up during half times cause of the pain, then coming back out and playing well. He had a couple bad years in minnesota, but very little of that got back here, because when he was here, he played hard, even when we were losing.

I like Smoot fine and admire his playing hurt, but, realistically, I don't expect him to be an answer to our burning questions. He'll be adequate and add depth but doesn't alleviate our need for a first rate CB. We still need a first rate cb, a good offensive tackle, and a five star DE or DT to get to the playoffs. Further, we have to acquire the above without giving up a good player.

hooskins · 03-11-2007, 03:17 PM

I really think alot of you guys have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

03-10-2007, 09:49 PM	#31
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EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Warrenton VA Age: 33 Posts: 2,953	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... I just have feeling on our team that he will be a number 2... rogers isn't showing that much promis yet, and we should be seeing something from our #9 pick by now... __________________ Need electrical work in the Northern VA, or Shenandoah Valley? Click here ...and why do we still have a Tom Tupa avatar???

03-10-2007, 10:22 PM	#35
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 45 Posts: 890	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... i'm glad smoot back should have never let smoot go in the first place.

03-11-2007, 01:19 PM	#39
chrisl4064 Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lake Travis, Texas Age: 32 Posts: 786	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... ok, apparently nobody agrees with my view on fred smoot and how i think he is a penalty machine. however, why are we still shopping for corners? why are there rumors of us getting rid of springs? is carlos rogers a #2? im sorry fellas, but im not a big fan of bringing players back after we have already gotten rid of them. i dont care what gibbs has said about him. ive seen him play. we obviously will see what happens when the season starts. but dont sit there and tell me (as some of you have) that he will be fine with being a #3. if thats the case expect a little bit of bitching on his side and rightly so. if you guys are right and he shines then so be it. my comment came out of disgust that we havent done shit with the D-line yet. ive seen kerney go places and other free agents and im a little pissed we havent fixed anything with the D-line which imo is our weakest point. go ahead and ban my ass if smoot leads the team in picks, it wont happen. i would rather have made moves on the D-line first.

03-11-2007, 03:17 PM	#45
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