ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will....

GoSkins! · 03-11-2007, 05:04 PM

you know, I think that Brittany Spears would benefit from rehab.

skinsfan_nn · 03-11-2007, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EXoffender

When Springs missed games, Rodgers played pretty solid covering opposing teams' number one WR. Even without Springs (with the assuption we'll sign or draft a CB to play the nickel spot) we should be ok.

I disagree. Rodgers played aweful against #1 WR almost all year. He got burned time after time. He really regressed last season, in my opinion.

I don't think anyone is real clear on where SS stands at this point, healty it would be nice to have him back. With the possible Fisher signing if we do end up with: Springs,Smoot,Rodgers,Fisher, Jimoh. Not sure we will make any more moves at CB.

bedlamVR · 03-11-2007, 06:32 PM

Who does Rodgers play for again ... Carlos Rogers was pressed into a No1 role before he was ready and people keep talking about the balls bouncing out of his hands tend to forget he isn't a WR he is a CB. He was however 14th in the NFL in passes defenced (ranked out of all defensive players).

Just because you get a lot of INTs does not make you a good CB case in point Walt Harris in San Fran....Whoopie he got 10 ints throughout the year lets ignore the point he was part of a pass defence giving up 223yds/game in the air. To me it sounds like despite the fact Harris might intercept it teams were still thowning at him and having sucess.

And people go on how we should have drafted Antrel Rolle who had the same number of ints as Carlos and the Cards defence gave up 231yards/game in the air .

You know what is intersting is the Broncos with Bailey back there still gave up on average 212 yards per game.... last year with all our dificulties gave uo 218 yards per game on average.

I hate having to defend Carlos Rogers to Redskins fans but people really need to stop running round like the sky is falling

djnemo65 · 03-11-2007, 08:08 PM

What is going on around here? Who are these people and what are they talking about?

We should all be able to agree on these two things: one, our pass defense was unacceptable last year, two, it is now materially better.

The fact that people are arguing both of these points in this thread makes me strongly believe the government needs to do more to remove lead from our drinking water.

And one last thing. I have a cool name that's fun to chant and people still think I'm a loser, so there you go.

Daseal · 03-11-2007, 08:09 PM

People are blowing Carlos Rogers out of the water for absolutely no reason. I see someone in one thread ripping Carlos Rogers apart, yet talking about how we have to build through the draft. Guess what, a player in his 2nd year in the league makes mistakes. Rogers had some bad games, he let some players behind him. He also had some good games, there's a reason CBs are so important for GWs system. He lets them out there in 1v1 coverage and for being a 2nd year player Rogers did great. He made some mistakes, he made some great plays, and he dropped some balls. He was the only defensive player that was good enough to get himself in position to snag INTs.

hooskins · 03-11-2007, 08:33 PM

I don't think he is that bad, but he isn't amazing. Give Rogers a year or two and I think he could be a solid #2 receiver.

mike340 · 03-12-2007, 04:40 AM

First of all Carlos Rogers gets (almost) no love on this board. In fact, almost half the members don't bother to check how to spell his name. I think that's even worse than for Pierson Pr?l?. ;-) I think his career can go either way. He felt (along with a few others on the defense) like he was trying to close a big wound and only had band-aids. Understandably this, along with having to cover the #1 receiver all of a sudden, was too much for this second-year player to handle. But I do remember that he did a nice job his first year out there. (And he had better hands.) I also have to think they were telling him to play way off the receiver last year, to try to avoid giving up the big plays.
So I think of him as a very good rookie relief pitcher. Sometimes they're able to keep it up the whole year, but others crack in the post-season and are burned out and gone from the big leagues in a few years. I think if Springs can stay healthy for 13+ games this year (and I expect that to be the case) the defense will do just fine. And in that case I would expect Rogers to feel comfortable out there, knowing he only has to play his position (and he doesn't have to play the other team's #1 receiver.)

Smoot is a great pickup. Minn wanted to get rid of him after Love Boat. (I think that if a guy is in that position it should be against the law for him NOT to do anything with the women.) He also lost a sibling towards the end of the year and I could see that also impacting his play at the end of the season. But that shouldn't impact next year. Adding him should also be a great help against teams which run a lot of 3-wide receiver sets. In addition I see him being a good lockerroom presence. And I hope he teams up with Portis to start hamming up the press conferences.

SantanaMan · 03-12-2007, 06:01 AM

Didn't Carlos have a hand injury last year (and came back after 1 game) - if so, wouldn't this help account for the drops of INTs (much like TO's drops at WR).

chrisl4064 · 03-12-2007, 09:09 AM

first of all i started this thread to talk smack on smoot, NOT rogers. i think all rogers needs is a year or two, the D as a whole was dreadful.

who are the starting corners next year going from 1-4?
heres what i think..

1. whoever we aquire next
2. smoot
3. rogers
4. jimoh

i think springs is gone to get a new number one. and i just dont see smoot sitting on the bench. not after we resigned jimoh.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-12-2007, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

ok, apparently nobody agrees with my view on fred smoot and how i think he is a penalty machine. however, why are we still shopping for corners? why are there rumors of us getting rid of springs? is carlos rogers a #2? im sorry fellas, but im not a big fan of bringing players back after we have already gotten rid of them. i dont care what gibbs has said about him. ive seen him play. we obviously will see what happens when the season starts. but dont sit there and tell me (as some of you have) that he will be fine with being a #3. if thats the case expect a little bit of bitching on his side and rightly so.

if you guys are right and he shines then so be it. my comment came out of disgust that we havent done shit with the D-line yet. ive seen kerney go places and other free agents and im a little pissed we havent fixed anything with the D-line which imo is our weakest point.

go ahead and ban my ass if smoot leads the team in picks, it wont happen.
i would rather have made moves on the D-line first.

What moves would you have made on the line? Who in FA could we have acquired that A) would have come without totally eating up our cap or B) been someone that wasn't up there in age.

As far as defensive line is concerned, I think we can feel pretty safe that the Skins have a plan in place on addressing this with the draft. Hell, we might even get more DTs and DEs than we could ever expect if some of these trade scenarios pan out.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-12-2007, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

first of all i started this thread to talk smack on smoot, NOT rogers. i think all rogers needs is a year or two, the D as a whole was dreadful.

who are the starting corners next year going from 1-4?
heres what i think..

1. whoever we aquire next
2. smoot
3. rogers
4. jimoh

i think springs is gone to get a new number one. and i just dont see smoot sitting on the bench. not after we resigned jimoh.

Starting corners next year will be as follows:

If we keep Springs:
1) Springs.
2) Smoot/Rogers, there will likely be an open competition for this spot if Springs stays.
3) Drafted player.

If not:
1) Smoot
2) Rogers
3) Jimoh or drafted player.

We resigned Jimoh simply on the basis of the fact he is an AMAZING special teams player. He came cheap and we saw last year the value or actually having a special teams we could count on.

firstdown · 03-12-2007, 10:14 AM

If you look at Smoot's play in Minn. it was a bad signing. If you look at his play here it was a good signing. If I'm correct when he played for us as a starter he lead the team in int's even over Baily ever year and I do not remember him getting beat all that often. At that time I think that we pretty much lined up our corners to who ever was in front of them and not on a certain player. So he was lining up against #1 WR's and not just #2 WR's.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-12-2007, 10:21 AM

Honestly, what worries me the most is who is COACHING the secondary. Already, the players are talking about how their technique has changed since Jackson arrived. If I remember correctly, the secondary was a strong point in GW's first two years.

Anyone else remember that play of Taylor going up and knocking the ball away from Randy Moss? When was the last time we saw something like that? I'll bet the last time was 2005. Jackson is just a crappy coach.

Monkeydad · 03-12-2007, 12:22 PM

My only concern and reason for not being excited about his re-aquisition is his personal life.

I truly hope he has learned from his trouble in Minnesota and all of that is behind him. It's the kind of thing that can ruin a lockerroom and a season.

If that had never happened, I'd be very excited about his return...but whenever I hear his name, I think of the Love Boat.

GiantsSuck703 · 03-12-2007, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Honestly, what worries me the most is who is COACHING the secondary. Already, the players are talking about how their technique has changed since Jackson arrived. If I remember correctly, the secondary was a strong point in GW's first two years.

Anyone else remember that play of Taylor going up and knocking the ball away from Randy Moss? When was the last time we saw something like that? I'll bet the last time was 2005. Jackson is just a crappy coach.

Actually, Jackson has nothing to do with the CBs, he just coaches the safetys. Jerry Gray is the coach of the CBs, and i think having a ton of different coaches has everybody off base. We let Walker leave, and he turned UCLAs defense into a monster, god help us if Greg Blache leaves, although last year was a pretty big hick up, he has worked wonders with a lot of nobodys.

03-11-2007, 05:04 PM	#46
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 43 Posts: 1,576	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... you know, I think that Brittany Spears would benefit from rehab. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

03-11-2007, 06:32 PM	#48
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 388	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... Who does Rodgers play for again ... Carlos Rogers was pressed into a No1 role before he was ready and people keep talking about the balls bouncing out of his hands tend to forget he isn't a WR he is a CB. He was however 14th in the NFL in passes defenced (ranked out of all defensive players). Just because you get a lot of INTs does not make you a good CB case in point Walt Harris in San Fran....Whoopie he got 10 ints throughout the year lets ignore the point he was part of a pass defence giving up 223yds/game in the air. To me it sounds like despite the fact Harris might intercept it teams were still thowning at him and having sucess. And people go on how we should have drafted Antrel Rolle who had the same number of ints as Carlos and the Cards defence gave up 231yards/game in the air . You know what is intersting is the Broncos with Bailey back there still gave up on average 212 yards per game.... last year with all our dificulties gave uo 218 yards per game on average. I hate having to defend Carlos Rogers to Redskins fans but people really need to stop running round like the sky is falling

03-11-2007, 08:08 PM	#49
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Location: MA Age: 32 Posts: 2,836	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... What is going on around here? Who are these people and what are they talking about? We should all be able to agree on these two things: one, our pass defense was unacceptable last year, two, it is now materially better. The fact that people are arguing both of these points in this thread makes me strongly believe the government needs to do more to remove lead from our drinking water. And one last thing. I have a cool name that's fun to chant and people still think I'm a loser, so there you go.

03-11-2007, 08:09 PM	#50
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,057	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... People are blowing Carlos Rogers out of the water for absolutely no reason. I see someone in one thread ripping Carlos Rogers apart, yet talking about how we have to build through the draft. Guess what, a player in his 2nd year in the league makes mistakes. Rogers had some bad games, he let some players behind him. He also had some good games, there's a reason CBs are so important for GWs system. He lets them out there in 1v1 coverage and for being a 2nd year player Rogers did great. He made some mistakes, he made some great plays, and he dropped some balls. He was the only defensive player that was good enough to get himself in position to snag INTs. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-11-2007, 08:33 PM	#51
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 25 Posts: 8,557	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... I don't think he is that bad, but he isn't amazing. Give Rogers a year or two and I think he could be a solid #2 receiver. __________________ Vacancy

03-12-2007, 04:40 AM	#52
mike340 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 56 Posts: 267	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... First of all Carlos Rogers gets (almost) no love on this board. In fact, almost half the members don't bother to check how to spell his name. I think that's even worse than for Pierson Pr?l?. ;-) I think his career can go either way. He felt (along with a few others on the defense) like he was trying to close a big wound and only had band-aids. Understandably this, along with having to cover the #1 receiver all of a sudden, was too much for this second-year player to handle. But I do remember that he did a nice job his first year out there. (And he had better hands.) I also have to think they were telling him to play way off the receiver last year, to try to avoid giving up the big plays. So I think of him as a very good rookie relief pitcher. Sometimes they're able to keep it up the whole year, but others crack in the post-season and are burned out and gone from the big leagues in a few years. I think if Springs can stay healthy for 13+ games this year (and I expect that to be the case) the defense will do just fine. And in that case I would expect Rogers to feel comfortable out there, knowing he only has to play his position (and he doesn't have to play the other team's #1 receiver.) Smoot is a great pickup. Minn wanted to get rid of him after Love Boat. (I think that if a guy is in that position it should be against the law for him NOT to do anything with the women.) He also lost a sibling towards the end of the year and I could see that also impacting his play at the end of the season. But that shouldn't impact next year. Adding him should also be a great help against teams which run a lot of 3-wide receiver sets. In addition I see him being a good lockerroom presence. And I hope he teams up with Portis to start hamming up the press conferences.

03-12-2007, 06:01 AM	#53
SantanaMan Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 224	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... Didn't Carlos have a hand injury last year (and came back after 1 game) - if so, wouldn't this help account for the drops of INTs (much like TO's drops at WR).

03-12-2007, 09:09 AM	#54
chrisl4064 Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lake Travis, Texas Age: 32 Posts: 786	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... first of all i started this thread to talk smack on smoot, NOT rogers. i think all rogers needs is a year or two, the D as a whole was dreadful. who are the starting corners next year going from 1-4? heres what i think.. 1. whoever we aquire next 2. smoot 3. rogers 4. jimoh i think springs is gone to get a new number one. and i just dont see smoot sitting on the bench. not after we resigned jimoh.

03-12-2007, 10:14 AM	#57
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,189	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... If you look at Smoot's play in Minn. it was a bad signing. If you look at his play here it was a good signing. If I'm correct when he played for us as a starter he lead the team in int's even over Baily ever year and I do not remember him getting beat all that often. At that time I think that we pretty much lined up our corners to who ever was in front of them and not on a certain player. So he was lining up against #1 WR's and not just #2 WR's.

03-12-2007, 10:21 AM	#58
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,119	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... Honestly, what worries me the most is who is COACHING the secondary. Already, the players are talking about how their technique has changed since Jackson arrived. If I remember correctly, the secondary was a strong point in GW's first two years. Anyone else remember that play of Taylor going up and knocking the ball away from Randy Moss? When was the last time we saw something like that? I'll bet the last time was 2005. Jackson is just a crappy coach. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-12-2007, 12:22 PM	#59
Monkeydad Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 33 Posts: 14,884	Re: ok im gonna say it, cause nobody else will.... My only concern and reason for not being excited about his re-aquisition is his personal life. I truly hope he has learned from his trouble in Minnesota and all of that is behind him. It's the kind of thing that can ruin a lockerroom and a season. If that had never happened, I'd be very excited about his return...but whenever I hear his name, I think of the Love Boat.

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