Rule change: spiked ball?

Daseal · 03-28-2007, 07:56 PM

I heard something on the radio about a 5 yard penalty for spiking the ball. It was that along with throwing it in the air, both applied when not a touchdown. I have two questions about this. 1) Did I hear correctly? 2) Is this only for when a play is dead? Or will spiking the ball to stop the clock late in the game result in a 5 yard penalty.

Beemnseven · 03-28-2007, 09:16 PM

I didn't hear anything about it, but with the fervor against any type of celebration, I'd bet they're talking about receivers and running backs spiking the ball after a 3rd down conversion, that sort of thing.

Remember how Rod Gardner used to 'flip' the ball after a catch? I thought they already had a rule in place against "spinning" the ball, but I don't think I ever saw it called.

On touchdowns though, if the league really wanted to crack down on excessive celebration, they'd call the touchdown back.

RobH4413 · 03-28-2007, 09:19 PM

I think you should be penalized if you don't celebrate.

And if your celebration is awesome, you get an extra point.

Seriously though, are these rules not starting to get a bit ridiculous. I loved the famous redskins high five, I loved the little dances, all that crap.

F... rich people that make all the rules.

GMScud · 03-28-2007, 09:24 PM

Spiking the ball to stop the clock and on TD's is okay. They are going to vote on assessing a 5yd penalty for spiking out of bounds. I found this clip from the St. Pete Times Forum:

"The owners also will vote on Tampa Bay's proposal to use instant replay for all penalties except holding; increasing the number of players suited up for games from 45 to 47; and instituting 5-yard penalties for players who spike the ball on the field of play. Spikes in the end zone after scores would be allowed."

Here's another link to an informative article on the new discipline policy:

NFL's new discipline policy imminent - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

As image conscious as Goddell is, none of this is a surprise to me.

BrudLee · 03-28-2007, 09:45 PM

I have no problem with stopping ball spikes after regular old catches. Whoop-de-damn-doo. I caught an 8-yard hook. Suck it, defense!

ArtMonkDrillz · 03-28-2007, 09:48 PM

Santana's going to need to cut out his first down-ball spin move if this goes down.

GMScud · 03-28-2007, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrudLee

I have no problem with stopping ball spikes after regular old catches. Whoop-de-damn-doo. I caught an 8-yard hook. Suck it, defense!

Your signature line is priceless! What's even better is the first thing you did after the Japanese girl is log onto the warpath!! HAHAHA!!! HAIL SKINS DAMMIT!!

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-28-2007, 10:40 PM

ok this is just stupid these are GROWN MEN and godell and the owners want to treat them like babies and shit it is just stupid i say let every player have their celebration when they score think back to 2005 with the celebrations steve smith, chad johnson, clinton portis u had non football fans tuning in just to see what those guys did when they scored the NFL needs to stop trying to make the nfl like elementary school

"now now chad u cant be happy after you score you must look bitter like bill parcells and act like you didnt want to score"

BrudLee · 03-29-2007, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMScud

Your signature line is priceless! What's even better is the first thing you did after the Japanese girl is log onto the warpath!! HAHAHA!!! HAIL SKINS DAMMIT!!

In my defense, that's a djnemo65 quote. His name didn't fit in the sig.

Personally, I don't discriminate between Japanese girls and any other girls. They all reject me equally.

Daseal · 03-29-2007, 07:43 AM

I must admit, I used to love Rod Gardners first down dance (the three times we saw it) I like Santana's too. I didn't feel that it delayed the game at all and honestly liked it a bit. However, I can live with this rule change, however I'm with many other that the deal with touchdown celebrations is getting absurd. People love watching TD antics, I don't care if the defense feels bad, don't let them score next time. If you're going to do anything stop the stupid "I made a tackle!" dances. That and ban Steve 'funny teeth' Smith from doing anything, god his dances suck. I woke up early this morning.

Mattyk · 03-29-2007, 08:27 AM

I think the league is going too far with limiting celebrations. Yes celebrating a routine first down is retarded but they should really lighten up on the touchdown stuff.

skinsfan69 · 03-29-2007, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

I heard something on the radio about a 5 yard penalty for spiking the ball. It was that along with throwing it in the air, both applied when not a touchdown. I have two questions about this. 1) Did I hear correctly? 2) Is this only for when a play is dead? Or will spiking the ball to stop the clock late in the game result in a 5 yard penalty.

This rule passed 25 to 6. I saw it on NFL Network. They had a camera inside the room and Gibbs was VERY MUCH against this rule. Gibbs was talking about how they are taking the fun and emotion out of the game.
But yes Santana is no longer going to be able to spin the ball after a big catch. Personally I like the rule.

Mc2guy · 03-29-2007, 10:03 AM

This all stems from the owners wanting to protect the image of their product and thus, their revenue stream. The NFL is king of the land right now when it comes to pro-sports in the US and it knows that it had better keep on it's toes or else risk losing its vaunted position to the likes of NASCAR.

Look what happened to the NBA after Jordan left, ratings tanked, play quality tanked and worst of all, the league got a reputation as a haven for me-first thuggish behavior. The core fans stayed, but the casual fans ran away and ratings completely fell through the floor.

Whether we like to admit it or not, there are a lot of casual fans and viewers who will tune out the league if the perception of the product goes the way of the 90's NBA. The owners know this are are doing everything they can to prevent it via reduced celebrations, and the new enhanced personal conduct policy Godell is about to drop.

Personally, I think it is a bit over the top, but then again, I also think it is utterly ridiculous when any player makes ANY celebritory gesture unless they have scored. You see guys like Washington jumping out of his skull excited after dropping a RB for a 1 or 2 yard GAIN on 1st down for pete sake! Why is that worth celebrating...that is your job. I don't jump up and down when I write a good e-mail to my client...it's ridiculous.

Just my $0.02.

hagams · 03-29-2007, 10:17 AM

I agree with the majority of the people here, this is crap. I'm in the Marines, but if I had one chance to catch a pass thrown from any QB, in any game, for any team, I would probably eat the football. However, they are supposed to be "pro's", and control the excitement. I don't think that a spike after an awesome play would be hurt anything. But, if it's a two yard run up the middle for a 1st down I could see a 5 yd pen. Some of the plays that these guys are making deserve a little celebration.
**Another note** Think of how we react when watching the game, and the skins get a first down they was badly needed. I've broken two coffee tables because of the skins, and 1 window from celebrating. I wish there was a way to have our celebrations recorded and played on ESPN's top ten celebrations. That would be worth watching.

saden1 · 03-29-2007, 10:37 AM

I'm down with this rule. Man, it pisses me off when a RB celebrates a 5 yard run or a DB who just missed an interception by spiking the ball. In essence what they are doing is delaying the game. The only time you should be spiking the ball is when you score a touchdown.

03-28-2007, 07:56 PM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,055	Rule change: spiked ball? I heard something on the radio about a 5 yard penalty for spiking the ball. It was that along with throwing it in the air, both applied when not a touchdown. I have two questions about this. 1) Did I hear correctly? 2) Is this only for when a play is dead? Or will spiking the ball to stop the clock late in the game result in a 5 yard penalty. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-28-2007, 09:16 PM	#2
Beemnseven Fighting off The Crazies Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 39 Posts: 5,280	Re: Rule change: spiked ball? I didn't hear anything about it, but with the fervor against any type of celebration, I'd bet they're talking about receivers and running backs spiking the ball after a 3rd down conversion, that sort of thing. Remember how Rod Gardner used to 'flip' the ball after a catch? I thought they already had a rule in place against "spinning" the ball, but I don't think I ever saw it called. On touchdowns though, if the league really wanted to crack down on excessive celebration, they'd call the touchdown back.

03-28-2007, 09:19 PM	#3
RobH4413 Wildcard Bitches Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 27 Posts: 2,381	Re: Rule change: spiked ball? I think you should be penalized if you don't celebrate. And if your celebration is awesome, you get an extra point. Seriously though, are these rules not starting to get a bit ridiculous. I loved the famous redskins high five, I loved the little dances, all that crap. F... rich people that make all the rules. __________________ This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

03-28-2007, 09:24 PM	#4
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Age: 34 Posts: 12,623	Re: Rule change: spiked ball? Spiking the ball to stop the clock and on TD's is okay. They are going to vote on assessing a 5yd penalty for spiking out of bounds. I found this clip from the St. Pete Times Forum: "The owners also will vote on Tampa Bay's proposal to use instant replay for all penalties except holding; increasing the number of players suited up for games from 45 to 47; and instituting 5-yard penalties for players who spike the ball on the field of play. Spikes in the end zone after scores would be allowed." Here's another link to an informative article on the new discipline policy: NFL's new discipline policy imminent - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review As image conscious as Goddell is, none of this is a surprise to me. __________________ Insert witty signature here

03-28-2007, 09:45 PM	#5
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Rule change: spiked ball? I have no problem with stopping ball spikes after regular old catches. Whoop-de-damn-doo. I caught an 8-yard hook. Suck it, defense! __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

03-28-2007, 09:48 PM	#6
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 30 Posts: 7,757	Re: Rule change: spiked ball? Santana's going to need to cut out his first down-ball spin move if this goes down. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

03-28-2007, 10:40 PM	#8
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,005	Re: Rule change: spiked ball? ok this is just stupid these are GROWN MEN and godell and the owners want to treat them like babies and shit it is just stupid i say let every player have their celebration when they score think back to 2005 with the celebrations steve smith, chad johnson, clinton portis u had non football fans tuning in just to see what those guys did when they scored the NFL needs to stop trying to make the nfl like elementary school "now now chad u cant be happy after you score you must look bitter like bill parcells and act like you didnt want to score" __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

03-29-2007, 07:43 AM	#10
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,055	Re: Rule change: spiked ball? I must admit, I used to love Rod Gardners first down dance (the three times we saw it) I like Santana's too. I didn't feel that it delayed the game at all and honestly liked it a bit. However, I can live with this rule change, however I'm with many other that the deal with touchdown celebrations is getting absurd. People love watching TD antics, I don't care if the defense feels bad, don't let them score next time. If you're going to do anything stop the stupid "I made a tackle!" dances. That and ban Steve 'funny teeth' Smith from doing anything, god his dances suck. I woke up early this morning. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-29-2007, 08:27 AM	#11
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,653	Re: Rule change: spiked ball? I think the league is going too far with limiting celebrations. Yes celebrating a routine first down is retarded but they should really lighten up on the touchdown stuff. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-29-2007, 10:03 AM	#13
Mc2guy Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Burke, VA Age: 36 Posts: 287	Re: Rule change: spiked ball? This all stems from the owners wanting to protect the image of their product and thus, their revenue stream. The NFL is king of the land right now when it comes to pro-sports in the US and it knows that it had better keep on it's toes or else risk losing its vaunted position to the likes of NASCAR. Look what happened to the NBA after Jordan left, ratings tanked, play quality tanked and worst of all, the league got a reputation as a haven for me-first thuggish behavior. The core fans stayed, but the casual fans ran away and ratings completely fell through the floor. Whether we like to admit it or not, there are a lot of casual fans and viewers who will tune out the league if the perception of the product goes the way of the 90's NBA. The owners know this are are doing everything they can to prevent it via reduced celebrations, and the new enhanced personal conduct policy Godell is about to drop. Personally, I think it is a bit over the top, but then again, I also think it is utterly ridiculous when any player makes ANY celebritory gesture unless they have scored. You see guys like Washington jumping out of his skull excited after dropping a RB for a 1 or 2 yard GAIN on 1st down for pete sake! Why is that worth celebrating...that is your job. I don't jump up and down when I write a good e-mail to my client...it's ridiculous. Just my $0.02.

03-29-2007, 10:17 AM	#14
hagams Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Okinawa, Japan Age: 33 Posts: 841	Re: Rule change: spiked ball? I agree with the majority of the people here, this is crap. I'm in the Marines, but if I had one chance to catch a pass thrown from any QB, in any game, for any team, I would probably eat the football. However, they are supposed to be "pro's", and control the excitement. I don't think that a spike after an awesome play would be hurt anything. But, if it's a two yard run up the middle for a 1st down I could see a 5 yd pen. Some of the plays that these guys are making deserve a little celebration. Another note Think of how we react when watching the game, and the skins get a first down they was badly needed. I've broken two coffee tables because of the skins, and 1 window from celebrating. I wish there was a way to have our celebrations recorded and played on ESPN's top ten celebrations. That would be worth watching. __________________ We are always superbowl contenders in March!!! HTTR!!!!!!!!

03-29-2007, 10:37 AM	#15
saden1 Eternally Legendary Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 33 Posts: 9,734	Re: Rule change: spiked ball? I'm down with this rule. Man, it pisses me off when a RB celebrates a 5 yard run or a DB who just missed an interception by spiking the ball. In essence what they are doing is delaying the game. The only time you should be spiking the ball is when you score a touchdown. __________________ RG3, RGIII, RG三, RG३, RGγʹ, RGג, RG٣, RG๓, RG..., RG셋, RGԳ!

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