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Old 04-02-2007, 03:55 PM   #31
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Re: The latest on Briggs: Bears want more

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What's annoyed me about the comments on this trade has been that people (including in this article) are saying the deal is in the Bears favor.
Despite what any draft point system says, on paper this is a really good deal for us, we get 2 players & they get 1.

However, I'm worried about this deal for team chemistry & cap reasons. If we throw in another player, this deal doesn't even look good on paper.

I hope Denver's signing Bly doesn't bust their cap space to the point that they don't want the #6 anymore. They have the picks to offer.
That's true, but also think of what we're TRASHING (2 2nd rounders) by basically giving up on Rocky.
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Old 04-02-2007, 04:36 PM   #32
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Rocky, Lemar, Golston- either way it stinks. And it's repeating our pattern of ignoring the value of the draft.

If we ship off Rocky, we're never even giving a guy we traded THREE picks to get a chance to showcase his skills as a starter. We gave the Jets our 2nd rounder last year (53rd overall), plus our 2nd and 6th rounders this year. So that would be giving up on a player AND FOUR DRAFT PICKS (I'm counting our 6th overall this year) before we even give him a shot to really play. Lunacy.

If we ship off Golston we are getting rid of yet another draft pick who ended up being somewhat of a steal. He played well when Salave'a got hurt, and ummm hello, we DESPERATELY need help on the D-line!! So including the 6th pick there are two more draft picks down the drain.

If we ship off Lemar, were are losing a leader who will provide valuable depth at both OLB and MLB, and he's a "core redskin" according to Joe. This would definitely not sit well in the locker room- trading him away to bring in a guy who refuses to go play for the defending NFC champs and a world class defense for $7M a year.

If this trade happens, Joe Gibbs owes it to the fans to have a Q & A session so we can find out where he gets crack. This is sickening. Another case of a FA wanting to come play for the Danny and get paid. I knew that week in Arizona was gonna be bad for us.
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This topic has been beaten into the ground. Isn't there something else to talk about? It's Masters week.
Go to other sport section I started a Masters thread.
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Old 04-02-2007, 04:59 PM   #34
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Obviously the Bears know we have an inept FO, so they're going to try to get as much out of us as possible.
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Old 04-02-2007, 05:02 PM   #35
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Rocky, Lemar, Golston- either way it stinks. And it's repeating our pattern of ignoring the value of the draft.

If we ship off Rocky, we're never even giving a guy we traded THREE picks to get a chance to showcase his skills as a starter. We gave the Jets our 2nd rounder last year (53rd overall), plus our 2nd and 6th rounders this year. So that would be giving up on a player AND FOUR DRAFT PICKS (I'm counting our 6th overall this year) before we even give him a shot to really play. Lunacy.

If we ship off Golston we are getting rid of yet another draft pick who ended up being somewhat of a steal. He played well when Salave'a got hurt, and ummm hello, we DESPERATELY need help on the D-line!! So including the 6th pick there are two more draft picks down the drain.

If we ship off Lemar, were are losing a leader who will provide valuable depth at both OLB and MLB, and he's a "core redskin" according to Joe. This would definitely not sit well in the locker room- trading him away to bring in a guy who refuses to go play for the defending NFC champs and a world class defense for $7M a year.

If this trade happens, Joe Gibbs owes it to the fans to have a Q & A session so we can find out where he gets crack. This is sickening. Another case of a FA wanting to come play for the Danny and get paid. I knew that week in Arizona was gonna be bad for us.
agreed, I don't want the 1st Briggs deal, but I think it is a good value. Adding another player really negates the value of the deal, and as you mention we'd still have the chemistry issue w/bringing in a guy w/20 mil guaranteed.
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This topic has been beaten into the ground. Isn't there something else to talk about? It's Masters week.

I'm lucky enough to live in titletown USA (Gainesville, Fl), and my Gators are going for their 3rd NCAA championship in the last 12 months tonight. It takes some sting of the constant woes of the Skins organization. Unfortunately I often get mistaken for a Seminole with all the Redskins stuff I'm always wearing.
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Old 04-02-2007, 05:25 PM   #37
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If they want Rocky or Golston i'd say screw it. Thats way too much. I'd be ok with parting ways with Marshall. They should of used Arch in this scenario a few weeks ago. Oh well. Another day in the life of a Redskins soap opera we call the offseason.
The Skins need to let Rocky and Goldston have another year or two to make their presence felt. Why trade away two young and relatively cheap players who still have the upside of their careers left?
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Well, Adam Schefter from NFL Network is reporting that the Redskins will NOT offer up a player in addition to the 6th overall pick. It's a take it or leave it deal from their end.
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Well, Adam Schefter from NFL Network is reporting that the Redskins will NOT offer up a player in addition to the 6th overall pick. It's a take it or leave it deal from their end.

great i love them for that and u matty for posting it now this briggs thing will die
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Well, Adam Schefter from NFL Network is reporting that the Redskins will NOT offer up a player in addition to the 6th overall pick. It's a take it or leave it deal from their end.
We may not be 100% nuts after all.
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Well, Adam Schefter from NFL Network is reporting that the Redskins will NOT offer up a player in addition to the 6th overall pick. It's a take it or leave it deal from their end.
Good. Let them be stubborn. They need this trade more than we do... even if they cannot admit it.
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Old 04-02-2007, 08:15 PM   #42
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Well, Adam Schefter from NFL Network is reporting that the Redskins will NOT offer up a player in addition to the 6th overall pick. It's a take it or leave it deal from their end.
Nice! that's just what i was lookin for.
I was thinkin today how this thing might shake out if Briggs decides to pull a D.Branch. I wonder what they'd let him go for during the season? I get the feeling from what everyone says about the Bears org. that it might come to that, him holding out & the Bears dealing him to the highest bidder during the season.
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Old 04-02-2007, 08:32 PM   #43
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Re: The latest on Briggs: Bears want more

Its frustrating that the skins even made this offer, which was reportedly made. I just can't see how we would give up so much to get McIntosh last year, only to basically give up on him. Come on skins, we have alot more pressing needs than LB???? It doesn't make sense.
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Old 04-02-2007, 08:52 PM   #44
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Re: The latest on Briggs: Bears want more

On another thread, it was asserted that Danny Boy offered this trade at the owners meeting in the form we now see it.

ASSUME FOR A MOMENT THAT IS CORRECT !!!

Of course the Bears should ask for more. After all, if it went down the way it was asserted on that other thread, Danny Boy set the floor for the negotiations with his offer; there's no way the Skins can go back to any counter-offer with less than they offered in the first place - - unless Danny Boy wants to look like a horse's ass to his fellow owners and football afficionados. [Remenber, Danny NEVER likes to look like a horse's ass even though he does do that more than once in a while...]

So, the Bears will counter with some offer to try to get more and then the REAL acumen of the Skins' FO as negotiators will come to view. How do they respond? Do they pull their current offer off the table? Do they make it a "take-it-or-leave-it proposition"? If the Bears want Marshall, do they counter with Rocky - - or vice-versa?

The deal as it stands now would be a HUGE bargain for the Skins - - if they actually needed another linebacker which they do not. For the value of a mid-first round pick, they would be getting a Pro Bowl quality linebacker. That's a good deal.

So, when the Bears ask for more - - as they damned well should - - how much more should the Skins be willing to fork over to get a Pro Bowl linebacker when that is NOT their current most pressing need by a longshot?

Suppose the Bears ask for next year's first round pick too?

How about next year's second round pick? :confused:

How about Rocky AND Golston?

How about Randle-El? :thumb:

Take a deep breath and try to think about all this without emotion because that's how the Bears and hopefully the Skins' FO folks are going to do this...

My hope is that they make the current offer a "take-it-or-leave-it" proposition with about a 72-hour deadline. Then we can move on with or without Lance Briggs in town.


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Why are so many people ready to give up on Marshall? I would say that he has more value than Rocky or Golston at this point.

I would give them Montgomery and that is it. We are doing them a favor by taking this guy off their hands.
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