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Old 04-04-2007, 10:24 PM   #16
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Ok, I don't want to piss off any previous posters and start a big argument. But I think some of you are being a little hypocritical here. Many of us bag the front office for trying to do the one year fix, and that is exactly what your arguing here. Many are saying we are locked up right now for corner. Yes right now. Check it out;
Springs is over 30
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Smoot Sucked with Minny
and Rogers was average at best last year

I hardly think this is locked up. And even if they perform great, it's only for this year. I would jump at this if we could get it. This dude is money. Plus you have a real problem on D if you expect your corners to make big tackles. Your D line and backers should be doing the big ugly work.
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:34 PM   #17
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Ok, I don't want to piss off any previous posters and start a big argument. But I think some of you are being a little hypocritical here. Many of us bag the front office for trying to do the one year fix, and that is exactly what your arguing here. Many are saying we are locked up right now for corner. Yes right now. Check it out;
Springs is over 30
Making Big $
Complaining about being a Skin and having to restructure
Injury Prone
Smoot Sucked with Minny
and Rogers was average at best last year

I hardly think this is locked up. And even if they perform great, it's only for this year. I would jump at this if we could get it. This dude is money. Plus you have a real problem on D if you expect your corners to make big tackles. Your D line and backers should be doing the big ugly work.
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The guy doesn't fit our defensive system. We might as well trade for him and start him a LB. He's a strict cover guy and a good one at that. But our CBs are supposed to play the run and Samuel is pretty poor at that.
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:50 PM   #18
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Smoot's pretty crappy at run support also. Maybe his signing dictates a willingness to alter our philosophy?
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but at least smoot is willing to take on rbs while most corners his size are not
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Ok, I don't want to piss off any previous posters and start a big argument. But I think some of you are being a little hypocritical here. Many of us bag the front office for trying to do the one year fix, and that is exactly what your arguing here. Many are saying we are locked up right now for corner. Yes right now. Check it out;
Springs is over 30
Making Big $
Complaining about being a Skin and having to restructure
Injury Prone
Smoot Sucked with Minny
and Rogers was average at best last year

I hardly think this is locked up. And even if they perform great, it's only for this year. I would jump at this if we could get it. This dude is money. Plus you have a real problem on D if you expect your corners to make big tackles. Your D line and backers should be doing the big ugly work.
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The defense's biggest problem isn't the secondary it is the line. Bring in Samuel, or hell Deion in his prime, and you will see them get burned if the QB has all day. If they signed Samuel you would still see runningbacks torching them all day long.

They have three legitimate NFL corners. One is an upper tier corner when healthy, another still has a lot of upside and the third had his best year in this system. You have to feel pretty good going into the season with that.
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Old 04-05-2007, 12:24 AM   #22
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well if u want springs to move to safety we need another top corner, otherwise hes staying at corner
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well if u want springs to move to safety we need another top corner, otherwise hes staying at corner
Springs makes too much to do that. Springs will play his last year here at corner.
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Old 04-05-2007, 03:49 AM   #24
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The problem is, what would we give up? Sure, the 6th pick, but do the Pats need anyone projected to go that high? They already have Seymour at DE/DT, they just gave Adailus Thomas a big contract, they obviously don't need a QB, they added Stallworth and Wes Welker to the WR corps, they drafted Maroney is the 1st round last year... Unless they are really high on Laron Landry, but they could probably get Reggie Nelson with one of their two 1st round picks and still keep Samuel. And nobody seems to want our 6th pick b/c it has been too hard to trade it down.

Asante Samuel is an amazing story. And undrafted player out of Central Florida who has turned into a franchise player. He had more INTs than our entire friggin' team last year. I don't care about that run support crap. How many corners can take on an NFL running back one on one anyway? Pretty much all of them would get bowled over. If our D-line and linebackers are doing their job and the safeties come up in support, the corner should be the last defensive player responsible for the run. Imagine the trio of Smoot, Rodgers, and Samuel (the starters could be determined by the WR matchups week to week), with Springs and Taylor at the safeties? That's a wet dream. I'd love to have Samuel, but it ain't gonna happen.
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he is a product of the pats defense. Put him here and i just dont think he is physical enough.
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Too much money, but if the Skins were considering Briggs, I would rather have AS. We could never have too much talent at CB, just like WR. I wouldn't mind having Rogers behind him. I wasn't overly happy with the pass defense last year, so I say bring him on....but talk the price down some. We have enough money problems coming our way.
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Old 04-05-2007, 07:37 AM   #27
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Asante Samuel is an amazing story. And undrafted player out of Central Florida who has turned into a franchise player. He had more INTs than our entire friggin' team last year. I don't care about that run support crap. How many corners can take on an NFL running back one on one anyway? Pretty much all of them would get bowled over. If our D-line and linebackers are doing their job and the safeties come up in support, the corner should be the last defensive player responsible for the run.
Bingo. I don't think anybody blows the "run-stopping corners" out of proportion more than we do here at The Warpath.

Sure it's nice to say that your corners can do that. If you are football player, one of the most basic things they teach you all the way back to pee-wee football is how to tackle. If you are that concerned about your cornerbacks being able to stop the run, then you have problems anyway.

I'm not saying one way or the other about whether we should go after Asante Samuel. Maybe he is too expensive. Maybe it would be nice to have a guy in the secondary who has demonstrated an ability to catch the football better than anyone we have now.

But can we please stop with the bullsh*t about not going after ball-hawking corners who can shut down a receiver because he supposedly can't "stop the run" ?
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Bingo. I don't think anybody blows the "run-stopping corners" out of proportion more than we do here at The Warpath.

Sure it's nice to say that your corners can do that. If you are football player, one of the most basic things they teach you all the way back to pee-wee football is how to tackle. If you are that concerned about your cornerbacks being able to stop the run, then you have problems anyway.

I'm not saying one way or the other about whether we should go after Asante Samuel. Maybe he is too expensive. Maybe it would be nice to have a guy in the secondary who has demonstrated an ability to catch the football better than anyone we have now.

But can we please stop with the bullsh*t about not going after ball-hawking corners who can shut down a receiver because he supposedly can't "stop the run" ?
It may be something that gets blown out of proportion a bit around here, but there is some truth to it. Cover 2 corners are typically corners that are a bit more stout against the run. That doesn't mean we should completely rule out going after smaller corners who aren't known for playing the run, but history does show that a guy like Samuel probably isn't an ideal fit in a cover 2 system where he's going to be asked to stick his nose in there against the run quite a bit.
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Well part of it is actual effort and Smoot showed a lot of that when he was here.
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Smoot has also bulked up since he left here, whether he keeps that weight on here is something to keep an eye on.
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