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Old 04-05-2007, 02:47 PM   #46
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So you're saying that even for the right price, Gregg Williams would pass up on a cornerback who can smother a wideout, even if his game isn't centered on stopping the run -- Darrell Green for example?

To paraphrase you:

"LOL ok"
I think you're misunderstanding here.

I never said a player like Samuel wouldn't fit here or wouldn't be considered at the right price, but the truth is there are players that are better fits for a cover 2 system like Williams runs.

That's why he favors bigger corners who can play the run and blitz, and safeties who are flexible enough to play the nickel and dime positions, and even corner in a pinch.

To completely disregard the fact that there are cover 2 corners and cover corners is ridiculous.
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Old 04-05-2007, 02:49 PM   #47
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I think there is a legitimate case for one corner being preferred over another because of a more desireable skill set. But to suggest that we pass on a guy that snagged 10 ints. simply because he doesn't fit makes me scratch my head a little. I think at the end of the day, it's about the most rudimentary defensive football skill - tackling.

Somewhere down the line, if Gregg Williams' defense is so dependent on corners that provide "run support" and we don't have any, and there aren't any at a reasonable price on the market, then it necessitates that he change what he's doing.
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Old 04-05-2007, 02:50 PM   #48
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To be clear I wouldn't pass on Samuel because of his size or tackling ability, I would pass on him because of the contract he's going to command.
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Old 04-05-2007, 03:11 PM   #49
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To be clear I wouldn't pass on Samuel because of his size or tackling ability, I would pass on him because of the contract he's going to command.

Agreed.
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Old 04-05-2007, 03:29 PM   #50
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Asante Samuel- 5-10, 185
Fred Smoot- 5-11, 178

Is size really the issue here? It's money.
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Old 04-05-2007, 04:37 PM   #51
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Re: Asante Samuel

While we are throwing out outrageous scenarios that aren't going to happen...how about bringing back Champ? We have an open line of communication with the broncos. Snyder can throw money at him and doom the franchise for years to come like he always does...maybe we can even trade Ladell Betts to them, so that we could have Portis AND champ (ya know having our cake and eating it too). It's fun to dream.

Look, why do we need to make some blockbuster trade in order for our offseason to be successful? First it was clements, then it was briggs, now Samuels? How about just stickin with the modest moves that we have made thus far and possibly trying to acquire some more day 1 picks by trading out of the #6. I believe that less is more for the skins, especially when it comes to fewer offseason moves and keeping continuity in the roster.
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Old 04-05-2007, 09:13 PM   #52
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w/the macklin signing, this is highly unlikely
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Old 04-06-2007, 04:04 PM   #53
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Pro Football Talk is now reporting that Dan Snyder is expected to place a call to New England over the weekend to inquire about Samuels. This is a F!@#ing joke. I think the Skins are trying desperately trying to get rid of the 6th pick. Come Draft day we won't have that pick. Maybe somewhere in the 1st round we'll have a pick. Pats have 2 1st rounders, so they might take the bait here. Snyder should consult with his coaches before he acts on his own. Well here is what was posted:
'SKINS TO MAKE A PLAY FOR SAMUEL?

Dan Snyder of the Washington Redskins can't help himself. Every offseason, he is compelled to make a big splash, in some way.

He didn't do it in free agency this year, for a change. So with a top-ten pick burning a hole in his draft board and Bears linebacker Lance Briggs (whom the 'Skins don't really need) not available via a flip-flip of first round picks, Snyder apparently will sniff around Pats cornerback Asante Samuel (whom the 'Skins don't really need).

Ryan O'Halloran of the Washington Times reports that the Redskins are expected to call the Patriots regarding Samuel, a free agent who has been slapped with the franchise tag.

The Redskins currently have cornerbacks Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Fred Smoot, and David Macklin under contract. Even if they trade or cut Springs, they don't need Samuel.

But Snyder can't help himself. He collects big-name players like Florio Jr. hoards McFarlane NFL figures, without regard to the manner in which his collection will interact on the field or in the locker room.

In hindsight, then, the decision of Samuel to recently go public with his dissatisfaction might have been a stroke of genius. With the Bears telling the Redskins that a flip-flop of first-round picks won't happen, the 'Skins need to find someone else to take the sixth overall pick off of their hands. And Samuel's comments apparently have caught Snyder's ear.

So for the No. 28 pick and Samuel, the Pats possibly could have the No. 6 overall pick. Heck, maybe they can also get the 'Skins to throw in Springs.

The question, then, is whether the Pats even want the No. 6 pick. If they do, the next question is whether the Patriots would try to package the No. 6 selection with the No. 24 pick (which they got from the Seahawks for Deion Branch) in an effort to move up to get once-in-a-generation receiver Calvin Johnson.
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Old 04-06-2007, 04:06 PM   #54
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Let the freakout begin.
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Old 04-06-2007, 04:56 PM   #55
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the redskins want every high priced free agent every year. come on, did they forget to let you in on the joke? what better bargaining tool to use for leverage then Dan Snyder? they don't really want Samuel, but its good reading
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Old 04-06-2007, 04:59 PM   #56
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Re: Asante Samuel

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Pro Football Talk is now reporting that Dan Snyder is expected to place a call to New England over the weekend to inquire about Samuels. This is a F!@#ing joke. I think the Skins are trying desperately trying to get rid of the 6th pick. Come Draft day we won't have that pick. Maybe somewhere in the 1st round we'll have a pick. Pats have 2 1st rounders, so they might take the bait here. Snyder should consult with his coaches before he acts on his own. Well here is what was posted:
'SKINS TO MAKE A PLAY FOR SAMUEL?

Dan Snyder of the Washington Redskins can't help himself. Every offseason, he is compelled to make a big splash, in some way.

He didn't do it in free agency this year, for a change. So with a top-ten pick burning a hole in his draft board and Bears linebacker Lance Briggs (whom the 'Skins don't really need) not available via a flip-flip of first round picks, Snyder apparently will sniff around Pats cornerback Asante Samuel (whom the 'Skins don't really need).

Ryan O'Halloran of the Washington Times reports that the Redskins are expected to call the Patriots regarding Samuel, a free agent who has been slapped with the franchise tag.

The Redskins currently have cornerbacks Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Fred Smoot, and David Macklin under contract. Even if they trade or cut Springs, they don't need Samuel.

But Snyder can't help himself. He collects big-name players like Florio Jr. hoards McFarlane NFL figures, without regard to the manner in which his collection will interact on the field or in the locker room.

In hindsight, then, the decision of Samuel to recently go public with his dissatisfaction might have been a stroke of genius. With the Bears telling the Redskins that a flip-flop of first-round picks won't happen, the 'Skins need to find someone else to take the sixth overall pick off of their hands. And Samuel's comments apparently have caught Snyder's ear.

So for the No. 28 pick and Samuel, the Pats possibly could have the No. 6 overall pick. Heck, maybe they can also get the 'Skins to throw in Springs.

The question, then, is whether the Pats even want the No. 6 pick. If they do, the next question is whether the Patriots would try to package the No. 6 selection with the No. 24 pick (which they got from the Seahawks for Deion Branch) in an effort to move up to get once-in-a-generation receiver Calvin Johnson.


The WashingtonTimes ran a simular article in today's paper reporting a possible interest in Samuel. The Pats have tagged Samuel so I can't imagine there could be a maximum interest due to the compensation he would command, coupled with a contract that would be hefty when added to an already expensive and crowded CB position.
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Old 04-06-2007, 09:42 PM   #57
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w/the macklin signing, this is highly unlikely

and the washington times also has a story about it but i cant link the stupid thing for some reason
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Old 04-06-2007, 11:32 PM   #58
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The whole notion that a player can be great for one team and come in and play the same position for another team and be significantly better or worse is totally ridiculous.

Here's the real question: Is Asante Samuel overrated as a Corner because he isn't one to come up and hit someone in run support?

This is a pretty universal question. Is CB run support massively undervalued? I tend to think that yes, CB run support is undervalued. Consequently, Samuel's level of production may very well be a bit lower than his rep would lead you to believe it is.

Whether or not he's good for our system is an irrelivant question. Give me an example of a system that wouldn't benefit from a CB who is good at run support.

I think NFL scouts certainly undervalue run support as a whole. This doesn't mean that Asante Samuel wouldn't be a good fit here. In fact, he's just what we are looking for. He's just potentially a bit overrated due to a probable weakness in his game that conventional scouting turns a blind eye to.

Samuel would be better for our team than Briggs would for sure.
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Old 04-07-2007, 12:49 PM   #59
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Why is Snyder making phone calls to NE and Chi anyway? Isn't that what a GM is suppose to do? Does Robert Kraft go around making calls about other teams players? Snyder is such a tool. I bet he has the short man's complex. It's like he tries too hard to be cool. I bet he gets off on reading about his name in the paper but yet he won't talk to the media. God I wish he would sell the team! Dude hasn't got a clue how to build a winner. And how long has he owned the team? You would think someone as smart as him would figure it out by now.
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Old 04-07-2007, 01:30 PM   #60
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Where does it say Snyder is going to call?
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