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Old 04-10-2007, 03:57 PM   #61
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Right Pacman, I mean Mat, they both make your smarter to I'm quite sure.......LOL

1 YEAR!
Regardless, killing brain cells should be a personal choice.
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:05 PM   #62
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Regardless, killing brain cells should be a personal choice.

Oh and it is. Just not legally.........kill on
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Here we go..... sheesh..
Nothing like a woman to ruin a man's sad attempt to pontificate on top of his soap box.
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:35 PM   #64
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What does a conviction have to do with anything? He makes the league look bad by getting in all this trouble. To rely on our justice system to create the proper scenario where he can be suspended is naive. He has behaved very badly and should be punished for it whether he gets off legally or not.

A good example: He had marijuana possession charges dropped because his mom magically claimed it was all hers. Even though the stuff was in his bedroom in his house. So because he didn't get convicted for this he shouldn't be punished by the league?

The legal system in this country is far too faulty and often far too permissive to use it as anything more than part of the equation.
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:39 PM   #65
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What about Jamal Lewis? Why didn't the NFL suspend him?
They did, albeit only for 4 games. I think things just reached the tipping point, where there had been so many highly publicized arrests that something dramatic had to be done to send out a warning shot.
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It sets a dangerous standard of suspension. What is obviously bad PR for the league can change depending on how the NFL interprets those actions. No legal conviction is required so its based on the NFL's opinion. Don't think that Paul Tagli would have handed out such harsh punishments.
The Commish isn't dumb, he's not going to start suspending players left and right and booting guys outta clubs because that would simply hurt the NFL's image even more and its bottom line. I wouldn't be too fearful that things will get out of control.
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the thing about pacman is even if the union fights this and gets the suspension shortened, the Titans can suspend him based on the fact he didn't disclose two arrests that happened in another state. So either way, he is done for the year. The titans suspension can not be challenged due to Pacman failure to disclose those arrests.

Henry on the other hand could get his shortened if the union fought it. I dont think they will though. They would get huge backlash from every direction if they did.

Both of these idiots played at WVU (sorry to say I am a WVU guy at this point) so most of their issues were swept under the rug while they were in college. Both got into some trouble but never paid the price for it. Now they are learning their actions do have consequences.

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If Sean Taylor got suspended for 1 year by the NFL would we be happy?

Pacman is a thug but hasn't been convicted of any crime, yet?

Suspension is a political one for the media. Total Bullshit and way too long!

What about Jamal Lewis? Why didn't the NFL suspend him?

Herb should be legal though.......that's not bullshit!
You make a valid point. As long as the NFL and Goodell apease the media waving Jones around like a mascot for everything that 's wrong with NFL, and never addressing the solution to the problem which lies in the rookie orientation seminars that should have been emphasized to every player coming out of college. Instead Goodell, met with Jones to show how fair and concerned he is about this lingering situation making up rules as he goes along. Hypocrisy has become the order of the day when it comes to young players and out of touch commissoners! (i.e., Stern, Goodell)
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It sets a dangerous standard of suspension. What is obviously bad PR for the league can change depending on how the NFL interprets those actions. No legal conviction is required so its based on the NFL's opinion. Don't think that Paul Tagli would have handed out such harsh punishments.
The NFL's opinion is the only thing that should matter. It is their league and these are their employees. I maintain that using thr US justice system as anything other part of the equation is much too lenient. Guys like Henry and Pacman are bad for the league, the other players, the teams and the union. But by your standard no one should do anything about Pacman since he hasn't been convicted. That is silly.
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The Commish isn't dumb, he's not going to start suspending players left and right and booting guys outta clubs because that would simply hurt the NFL's image even more and its bottom line. I wouldn't be too fearful that things will get out of control.
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I'm not going to try to defend anything Pacman Jones has done. However, I think his conduct is an indictment of the way young athletes are treated throughout their lives. Pacman's problems are not new...he was getting into trouble at WVU. Everyone knew it then, he has a problem. He can't stay outta trouble. No one ever did anything about it at West Virginia, all they did was enable him. All so they could make their millions of dollars by exploiting their players, but that's another topic. Pacman had trouble with the law at WVU and everyone around the university did everything they could to keep him on the field so they could make money. All he's ever learned is that as long as he performs on the field, his problems will go away off of it. As much as he made his own decisions, I feel sorry for a lot of the kids who grow up without the advantages most of the people judging them have enjoyed. Especially since, if they didn't have a father, the only males they really see are their coaches and they're too busy trying to figure out how to keep him on the field, rather than out of trouble. It's a little disturbing. I'm not condoning any of Pacman's actions, but I think there's a problem with this society, just as much as with him.

Another thought, Henry and Jones were both disciplinary problems in college. They also went to the same college, West Virginia. Why isn't Rich Rodriguez held accountable in any way? He did nothing about this when they were there. Where the hell was he? He just made sure they kept making the university money by taking them to a bowl game, it's bullshit.

Somehow, I don't think taking a troubled kid and making him a millionaire is the best way to solve people's problems. People should have seen this coming. I feel sorry for Pacman Jones.


This is exactly why the athletes are the way they are. Or any troubles kids now. people want to point the blaim in so many different directions instead of where they belong. Pacman and Henry are adults. They know whats right and whats wrong. carrying weed, beating up strippers and shooting guns, going 100 MPH while drinking!! any adult should know those are things that will get you in trouble. I dont feel sorry or believe this blaim the environment they lived in crap. They used their athletic gifts to get out of those situations. Now, they have all the money in the world and end up making the same stupid mistakes they made before. you have all the money in the world, that doesn't give you a pass to act like the biggest dumb ass in the world. These guys should pay for their crimes. Too many athletes get off with a slap on the wrist. If pacman is convicted of all the charges from the Vegas thing, being suspended from the NFL for 1 year will look like nothing compared to the jail time he will face. People need to stop making excuses for these idiots and hold them accountable for their actions. Do you think if any of us had all these run ins with the cops we would be sitting here typing on the Warpath.net?? HELL NO! we would be in jail or where ever. At somepoint when do they get treated as a person.. a normal person like everyone else in the country.
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You make a valid point. As long as the NFL and Goodell apease the media waving Jones around like a mascot for everything that 's wrong with NFL, and never addressing the solution to the problem which lies in the rookie orientation seminars that should have been emphasized to every player coming out of college. Instead Goodell, met with Jones to show how fair and concerned he is about this lingering situation making up rules as he goes along. Hypocrisy has become the order of the day when it comes to young players and out of touch commissoners! (i.e., Stern, Goodell)
You honestly think that the rookie seminar is the magic bullet here? How naive.
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You make a valid point. As long as the NFL and Goodell apease the media waving Jones around like a mascot for everything that 's wrong with NFL, and never addressing the solution to the problem which lies in the rookie orientation seminars that should have been emphasized to every player coming out of college. Instead Goodell, met with Jones to show how fair and concerned he is about this lingering situation making up rules as he goes along. Hypocrisy has become the order of the day when it comes to young players and out of touch commissoners! (i.e., Stern, Goodell)
IMHO it is some of the players (e.g., Pacman) who are out of touch with reality. There was an ESPN article a year or two ago about how rookie seminar sessions about being tolerant of other ethnic groups, homosexuals, etc. were considered a joke. You can't honestly believe that a rookie seminar is going to make a guy like Pacman think, "Gee, no one ever told me this crime stuff is bad and I should stop hanging out with felons. By golly, I'll change my ways now." Sorry for the sarcasm, but I just can't see how the Commissioner is to blame for Pacman and other players being idiots.

These players are grown men and should be treated as though they know the difference between right and wrong. To shift the blame from the perpetrators of crime onto the Commissioner is just wrong. Adults are accountable for their actions and, as adults, players are accountable for what they do and do not do.
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IMHO it is some of the players (e.g., Pacman) who are out of touch with reality. There was an ESPN article a year or two ago about how rookie seminar sessions about being tolerant of other ethnic groups, homosexuals, etc. were considered a joke. You can't honestly believe that a rookie seminar is going to make a guy like Pacman think, "Gee, no one ever told me this crime stuff is bad and I should stop hanging out with felons. By golly, I'll change my ways now." Sorry for the sarcasm, but I just can't see how the Commissioner is to blame for Pacman and other players being idiots. These are grown men and should be treated as though they know the difference between right and wrong.
Agree! You mean it's not everybody else's fault? Hard to believe.
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I'll agree that marijuana laws are kinda dumb to me, but the fact is that they represent community standards. They can be repealed as soon as enough people apply pressure to their state legislatures to do so. Moreover, the penalties for possession of marijuana are really light and typically involve paying a relatively small fine. Almost no one does "time" for simple possession.
So whatever fits the criteria of "community standards" automatically makes common sense? Laws that don't make any sense are only sensical once the appropriate legislation is passed that repeal them?

"Community standards" at one time said people of color couldn't drink from the same water fountain. In some jurisdictions, 'community standards' say that you can't operate a business on Sunday.

I think upon further reflection, you might agree that community standards don't always equal common sense.
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