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Old 04-11-2007, 01:12 PM   #1
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Does Size Matter?

I've been thinking about this lately; Does it really make that much of difference in the grand scheme of things?

Take for instance our defensive line. We currently have one, by NFL standards, small defensive end and could possibly end up with another in the draft - Gaines Adams.

I know we've discussed ad nauseum the merrits of drafting one DL as opposed to another, that's not what I'm getting at here.

Is it proven or possible that you can't have a formidable front four with two average size DEs?

Please discuss.
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Old 04-11-2007, 01:14 PM   #2
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Re: Does Size Matter?

I would think it all depends on the kind of defense you're running. For us, I think we need a bigger line that can clog running lanes so the linebackers are more free to move around.
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Old 04-11-2007, 01:15 PM   #3
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Re: Does Size Matter?

I think it more about the likeliness that a smaller guy can hold up against the run and bigger OLs. A guy like Freeney is good to go but no one knew coming if he could do it. Most smallish DLmen simply need some girth to get the job done. A few do it with technique and speed but they are much rarer and I believe harder to identify.
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Old 04-11-2007, 01:42 PM   #4
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Re: Does Size Matter?

in a 3-4 defense it definitly does matter, but in a 4-3 I don't think it is totally necessary. It is always nice to have at least one DL that commands a double team which we do not have, sorry Cornelius Griffin just isn't cutting it. But to prove a point here are a few DL that are on the slim side. Jason Taylor-255lbs, Simeon Rice-268, Aaron Schobel-262 and Leonard Little-263
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Old 04-11-2007, 01:52 PM   #5
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Re: Does Size Matter?

my ex-gf definitely seems to think so...

innuendo aside, she is a ravens fan and knows a thing or two about football. She has been preaching to me about size on the D-line. That's why Ray-ray was so effective on that defense this year. Most ravens players say that Kelly Gregg was the MVP of that defense and its not surprising why they think that. Sometimes even out of ur D-ends u don't want them to make a play u just want them to not get pancaked (maybe take on a double) so that ur WLB's and SLB's can shoot the gap and make something happen. For this size DEFINITELY helps over quickness
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Old 04-11-2007, 01:52 PM   #6
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Re: Does Size Matter?

My wife SWEARS to me that size does not matter... man, I hope she is right.
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Old 04-11-2007, 02:24 PM   #7
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Re: Does Size Matter?

Size on the D line helps in run defense. Speed and quickness help more in pass defense. Balance is the key. You don't want all run stuffers, or all pass rushers. That's why I think we'll be much better on the D line, if we can get one legitimate run stuffer. It will make our D line much more balanced.
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:38 PM   #8
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Honest: Size Matters!!!!!
Honest to God, Hess. I actually had you in mind when I started this thread.
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:43 PM   #9
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HAHAH. HESS liiiikes CHOADS! LOL

Seriously, to not hijack this thread. I agree with the above. I think as long as someone can hold the point of attack, that's all that matters. Just because an offensive lineman is four hundred pounds doesn't make them any more effective at BLOCKING someone.
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I've been thinking about this lately; Does it really make that much of difference in the grand scheme of things?

Take for instance our defensive line. We currently have one, by NFL standards, small defensive end and could possibly end up with another in the draft - Gaines Adams.

I know we've discussed ad nauseum the merrits of drafting one DL as opposed to another, that's not what I'm getting at here.

Is it proven or possible that you can't have a formidable front four with two average size DEs?

Please discuss.
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Gaines Adams had a productive college career. He is the best pass rusher in the draft. He is a better player than the guy at Ark. Does anyone remember Charles Haley? I don't think he weighed 260lb. Some guys can play well at that weight. We can have a good line with two small ends. But we had better have some guys holding down the fort in the middle.
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:46 PM   #11
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HAHAH. HESS liiiikes CHOADS! LOL

Seriously, to not hijack this thread. I agree with the above. I think as long as someone can hold the point of attack, that's all that matters. Just because an offensive lineman is four hundred pounds doesn't make them any more effective at BLOCKING someone.
Dude, I really thought you were going somewhere when you said, "as long as someone can hold"....then I kept reading!
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:50 PM   #12
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Re: Does Size Matter?

Size is not what ultimately makes the difference. If a 280 lb DT is among the leagues' best run stoppers, it's not like you should not play him because he's small.

However, being small in a big man's game usually puts you at a disadvantage. If you gave me a 260 lb DE and a 285 lb DE and told me nothing else about them, I would be 95% sure that the 285 lb guy would be better against the run.

One of the good things about scouting is that when a relatively small guy does an exceptionally good job holding his ground, it really stands out. These kind of things usually don't tend to go unoticed.

So of course size matters. But its not inconceivable for a good player to overcome his size.
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Old 04-11-2007, 06:48 PM   #13
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Re: Does Size Matter?

Dwight Freeney is only 6'1 268
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Re: Does Size Matter?

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HAHAH. HESS liiiikes CHOADS! LOL

Seriously, to not hijack this thread. I agree with the above. I think as long as someone can hold the point of attack, that's all that matters. Just because an offensive lineman is four hundred pounds doesn't make them any more effective at BLOCKING someone.
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Old 04-11-2007, 07:01 PM   #15
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Dwight Freeney is only 6'1 268
Dwight Freeney also is especially bad at defending the run. He usually takes himself completely out of the play by rushing too far upfield.

If a smaller pass rusher still has the strength to go through a guy, as opposed to going around every time, he can be an effective pass rusher in this league.

If a guy doesn't have the strength to ever go through someone, even the most effective speed rushers can be negated by a smart QB who steps up in the pocket.
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