Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Redskins Locker Room


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-27-2007, 02:40 AM   #61
Playmaker
 
Redskins8588's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Ridgway, PA
Age: 35
Posts: 2,519
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsowilso View Post
I've had too many beers to make a good argument here, but there are several scrambling quarterbacks to win the superbowl and steve young isn't a top ten ever quarterback. no way.
I have to agree with him on this...
__________________
"I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor
Redskins8588 is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 04-27-2007, 02:49 AM   #62
Inactive
 
KLHJ2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: DC Metro Area
Age: 36
Posts: 5,829
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redskins8588 View Post
I have to agree with him on this...
You are both on the crazy horse!
KLHJ2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 02:54 AM   #63
Franchise Player
 
jsarno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: 31 Spooner St.
Age: 39
Posts: 9,534
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsowilso View Post
I've had too many beers to make a good argument here, but there are several scrambling quarterbacks to win the superbowl and steve young isn't a top ten ever quarterback. best ever. no way.
Yeah, it's the beer. Cause I'd like for you to name 10 QB's better.
Also, please name other scrambling qb's that have won a SuperBowl.
__________________
Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin
jsarno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 02:58 AM   #64
Inactive
 
KLHJ2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: DC Metro Area
Age: 36
Posts: 5,829
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsowilso View Post
Before I go to bed let me ask you to make your case that Steve Young is the greatest QB ever???? I promise you will not post any response because it's not possible without making a fool of yourself.
Never said best ever. I said most complete. Because he had the rare ability to read the defense make accurate throws both long and short. And had the ability to scramble. He has also won the big one. All of those make him the most complete. He could do it all. Is he the best ever? No, but he is up there.
KLHJ2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 03:00 AM   #65
Inactive
 
KLHJ2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: DC Metro Area
Age: 36
Posts: 5,829
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsowilso View Post
Elway and Favre are scrambling quarterbacks just to start with recent champions.
They were not! Steve Young was in the same category speed wise as VY, and MV. I said same category, not as fast as.
KLHJ2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 03:01 AM   #66
Most Interesting Man in the World
 
hooskins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Age: 27
Posts: 8,606
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Vick is a lamer
__________________
Vacancy
hooskins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 03:03 AM   #67
Playmaker
 
Redskins8588's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Ridgway, PA
Age: 35
Posts: 2,519
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by angryssg View Post
They were not! Steve Young was in the same category speed wise as VY, and MV. I said same category, not as fast as.
I wouldnt put Favre in that category but I most certainly would put Elway there. Again like you said not fast as but in the same category.
__________________
"I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor
Redskins8588 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 03:05 AM   #68
Playmaker
 
Redskins8588's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Ridgway, PA
Age: 35
Posts: 2,519
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by angryssg View Post
Never said best ever. I said most complete. Because he had the rare ability to read the defense make accurate throws both long and short. And had the ability to scramble. He has also won the big one. All of those make him the most complete. He could do it all. Is he the best ever? No, but he is up there.
Not to mention that he was throwing to the best WR ever to step foot on the field. That alone makes any average QB look good. Not saying that Young is average, he is above average but I just dont buy into his hype.
__________________
"I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor
Redskins8588 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 03:08 AM   #69
Inactive
 
KLHJ2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: DC Metro Area
Age: 36
Posts: 5,829
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redskins8588 View Post
I wouldnt put Favre in that category but I most certainly would put Elway there. Again like you said not fast as but in the same category.
Was Elway ever the highest paid player in the league? I don't know I am just asking. Young was.
KLHJ2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 03:18 AM   #70
Franchise Player
 
jsarno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: 31 Spooner St.
Age: 39
Posts: 9,534
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsowilso View Post
Before I go to bed let me ask you to make your case that Steve Young is the greatest QB ever???? I doubt you will post a response because it's not possible without making a fool of yourself.
How about the fact that Steve Young is the ALL TIME career leader in passer rating with a 96.8. He also had the single season record until Peyton beat him in 04.
By the way, Peyton's career passer rating is 93.5.
He led the league in completion percentage for 4 consecutive years. (94-97) Only Len Dawson with 6 consecutive years, did better.
He also had the 3rd best ever single season completion percentage 70.28 in 94.
He holds the record (tied) for most consecutive games with 300 or more passing yards. 6.
Tied for best all time in most seasons leading the league in touchdowns. 4. Including 3 consecutive seasons which is 2nd best all time.
2nd all time in most seasons leading the league in average gain. 5. And most consecutive seasons. 4.

How many qb's put up numbers like him...especially when you figure in he ran for 4239 yards, and 43 Rushing tds over his career?

Not including Tampa, the first year he was a full fledged starter in SF, he was an all pro...and went on to be an all pro for 7 consecutive seasons. (92-98) He played 3 games in 99 and retired. It's a shame he lost the majority of 5 seasons in SF as a backup, and started his career in tampa (2 years), otherwise his numbers would be astronomical.
He has all the tools. He is extremely accurate, had a strong arm, was very fast and could scramble with the best of them, and he found the endzone frequently. What more could you want...the man was a winner. Best ever.
__________________
Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin
jsarno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 03:21 AM   #71
Inactive
 
KLHJ2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: DC Metro Area
Age: 36
Posts: 5,829
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by jsarno View Post
How about the fact that Steve Young is the ALL TIME career leader in passer rating with a 96.8. He also had the single season record until Peyton beat him in 04.
By the way, Peyton's career passer rating is 93.5.
He led the league in completion percentage for 4 consecutive years. (94-97) Only Len Dawson with 6 consecutive years, did better.
He also had the 3rd best ever single season completion percentage 70.28 in 94.
He holds the record (tied) for most consecutive games with 300 or more passing yards. 6.
Tied for best all time in most seasons leading the league in touchdowns. 4. Including 3 consecutive seasons which is 2nd best all time.
2nd all time in most seasons leading the league in average gain. 5. And most consecutive seasons. 4.

How many qb's put up numbers like him...especially when you figure in he ran for 4239 yards, and 43 Rushing tds over his career?

Not including Tampa, the first year he was a full fledged starter in SF, he was an all pro...and went on to be an all pro for 7 consecutive seasons. (92-98) He played 3 games in 99 and retired. It's a shame he lost the majority of 5 seasons in SF as a backup, and started his career in tampa (2 years), otherwise his numbers would be astronomical.
He has all the tools. He is extremely accurate, had a strong arm, was very fast and could scramble with the best of them, and he found the endzone frequently. What more could you want...the man was a winner. Best ever.
Get em!
KLHJ2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 03:23 AM   #72
Franchise Player
 
jsarno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: 31 Spooner St.
Age: 39
Posts: 9,534
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsowilso View Post
Elway and Favre are scrambling quarterbacks just to start with recent champions.
Favre has never been a scrambling QB. In his CAREER he has 1774 yards, and only 13 rushing td's. He only averaged 3.37 yards per carry. Not a scrambler at all. Young averaged 5.87 yards per carry.
Elway was a good scrambler. Not what Young was, but he was good. 3407 career rushing yards, 33 tds rushings...of course he did it over more years than Young. He had a 4.40 rushing average which is respectable.
__________________
Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin
jsarno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 03:26 AM   #73
Inactive
 
KLHJ2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: DC Metro Area
Age: 36
Posts: 5,829
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsowilso View Post
Roger Staubach. Two Super Bowl Victories. SI names him the 4th best scrambling QB of all time just behind Young at #3. That's 2 super bowl wins. Elway has two wins as well and yes he is also in SI's top ten scrambling QB's of all time.

SI.com - Photo Gallery - Top 10 Scrambling QBs of the Modern Era
I noticed that S Young was No. 3 on that list, which supports our argument.
KLHJ2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 03:32 AM   #74
Franchise Player
 
jsarno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: 31 Spooner St.
Age: 39
Posts: 9,534
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsowilso View Post
Roger Staubach. Two Super Bowl Victories. SI names him the 4th best scrambling QB of all time just behind Young at #3. That's 2 super bowl wins. Elway has two wins as well and yes he is also in SI's top ten scrambling QB's of all time.

SI.com - Photo Gallery - Top 10 Scrambling QBs of the Modern Era

Well, SI is wrong, cause Staubach averaged only 5.52 yards per rush to Young's 5.87. Staubach had 2264 yards, and 20 tds in 131 games. Young had 4239 yards, and 43 tds in only 38 more games. They also have Staubach ahead of Vick...paaalease! Vick is likely the fastest QB ever to live.
They also named Tark the best scrambler of all time when his career average was only 5.44 and ran for 3674 yards rushing and 32 td's. Plus, his inferior numbers took him 77 MORE games. Young is better, and SI should reconsider their stats.
__________________
Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin
jsarno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2007, 03:36 AM   #75
Franchise Player
 
jsarno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: 31 Spooner St.
Age: 39
Posts: 9,534
Re: One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsowilso View Post
This argument says the only good scrambling QB to win a Super Bowl.
Well, technically you are correct. But my point was a scrambling QBs with great passing stats. Something that Vick and Vince Young do not possess.

So throughout history, only Staubach, Elway and Young have put up passing numbers and could scramble. That's a small group, and great company.
I just don't see how you can say that Young is worse than a top 10 all time QB. He's number 1 in my book. My stats prove it.
__________________
Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin
jsarno is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.31704 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25