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Old 04-27-2007, 02:02 PM   #16
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For several reasons.

-Vinny's main job is to coordinate scouting. To get rid of him within even 2 or 3 months of the draft would be dumb since he is the one who created the scouting procedures and such. You sorta have to ride that horse out the barn or throw everything away and start over. That close to the draft you might as well pack it in if you fire your lead guy. Houstion did the same thing last year with Casserly. Hell everyone knew he was gone after the draft but they kept him on just for the draft.

-If you fire Vinny before the draft my guess would there'd be a bidding war between Philly,Dallas and NYG to get him to come in as a "consultant". He would basically consult as to our draft strategies and so forth. That would be dumb of us to let someone go so close to draft who has such vital information.

That secod reason is why teams generally don't rid themselves of personell people until immediately after the draft or immediately after the season. Any other time and they have gained too much info to be let go.

And Yes you are correct!
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Old 04-27-2007, 04:00 PM   #17
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Re: News of the AXE possibly droppin on VINNY.

I for one am glad if it happens at all. With the way things have gone he seems to be attached at the hip with Snyder. Vinny is a scapegoat is some ways but mostly he brought this on himself. He needs to go PERIOD
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Old 04-27-2007, 06:21 PM   #18
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Re: News of the AXE possibly droppin on VINNY.

Whenever other GMs and FO people around the league are asked about the Redskins FO, they always rip us (under condition of anonymity of course). They all wonder WTF we are doing. The consensus among other FO types around the league is that we are kind of joke. Vinny is a big reason for that. A few of my best friends are Eagles and Giants fans, and whenever they rag on me the first thing they pick at is our joke FO. I'm tired of it. Every team in the NFL uses a GM except the Redskins. The most successful teams in the league have great GMs (Indy, NE, Chi, SD, etc). We haven't won diddly poo since we stopped using a GM. Seems pretty obvious to me what the solution is. I wish Floyd Reese would leave that cushy desk at ESPN and come help us.
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Old 04-27-2007, 06:35 PM   #19
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Whenever other GMs and FO people around the league are asked about the Redskins FO, they always rip us (under condition of anonymity of course). They all wonder WTF we are doing. The consensus among other FO types around the league is that we are kind of joke. Vinny is a big reason for that. A few of my best friends are Eagles and Giants fans, and whenever they rag on me the first thing they pick at is our joke FO. I'm tired of it. Every team in the NFL uses a GM except the Redskins. The most successful teams in the league have great GMs (Indy, NE, Chi, SD, etc). We haven't won diddly poo since we stopped using a GM. Seems pretty obvious to me what the solution is. I wish Floyd Reese would leave that cushy desk at ESPN and come help us.

Now,now......don't forget so quickly about 2005, pretty damn good year.
I'm certainly not a fan of Reese cup/ The Pacman recruiter, but he did ok with some of his work with the Titans.
But we could use a strong personnel/GM leader to work WITH Joe and Danny Boy.
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Now,now......don't forget so quickly about 2005, pretty damn good year.
I'm certainly not a fan of Reese cup/ The Pacman recruiter, but he did ok with some of his work with the Titans.
But we could use a strong personnel/GM leader to work WITH Joe and Danny Boy.
2005 was one year. It was great, don't get me wrong, but I don't think anyone is satisfied with the Redskins during the Danny regime. Sure Floyd Reese drafted Pacman. One blemish. He was known as one the best GMs in the league during his tenure with the Titans/Oilers.

He also drafted:
Vince Young, Bo Scaife, Reynaldo Hill, Ben Troupe, Andre Woolfork, Tyrone Calico, Tank Williams, Rocky Boiman, Andre Dyson, Keith Bulluck, Jevon Kearse, Samari Rolle, Derrick Mason, Joe Salave'a, Eddie George, Steve McNair...

He's a better personnel guy than anyone currently working at Redskins Park.
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Whenever other GMs and FO people around the league are asked about the Redskins FO, they always rip us (under condition of anonymity of course). They all wonder WTF we are doing. The consensus among other FO types around the league is that we are kind of joke. Vinny is a big reason for that. A few of my best friends are Eagles and Giants fans, and whenever they rag on me the first thing they pick at is our joke FO. I'm tired of it. Every team in the NFL uses a GM except the Redskins. The most successful teams in the league have great GMs (Indy, NE, Chi, SD, etc). We haven't won diddly poo since we stopped using a GM. Seems pretty obvious to me what the solution is. I wish Floyd Reese would leave that cushy desk at ESPN and come help us.
While I agree somewhat with the basic ideas here I will let you know that not "every team" has a GM.
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While I agree somewhat with the basic ideas here I will let you know that not "every team" has a GM.
This is true! By the way gmscud our BEST personnel guy is the HEAD COACH!
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While I agree somewhat with the basic ideas here I will let you know that not "every team" has a GM.
I know a few teams have a head coach who also acts as a GM, and I know Jerry Jones is owner/GM for Dallas, but I wasn't aware that any teams other than the Skins flat out did not have a GM position.
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This is true! By the way gmscud our BEST personnel guy is the HEAD COACH!
Is Gibbs really that great of a personnel guy? The jury I think is still out on that one. Beathard made those moves for him back in the day.
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If it's post draft we'll know pretty soon. If it's after the season ends, we'll find out next year after we WIN THE SUPERBOWL!
If we win the Super Bowl, wouldn't that mean Vinnie stays?
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I hope that it happens.
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Why would you fire him after the draft?? Won't yo uwant the new person help in the most important day of their job, the draft. Makes no sense.
I agree...if you're going to do it, why give him another draft to "prove" himself. If he's bad, that means this draft is going to be bad. Given that we have only 1 impact pick, he can't really do much anyway. Is this the Skins way of trying to gently let us know that changes are coming if we don't win?
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Lets pray and hope so this nightmare been going on for two long.
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Vinny is only one piece of a disfunctional organization.
well put. it would be a start but a little late dont you think? im not holding my breath on this one.
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unfortually the only superbowl we will win is when we all play playstation.
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