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Old 04-29-2007, 05:08 PM   #1
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Let's Go To The Landrymat!!!!!!!

I first would like so say that I'd hate to be a receiver running through the middle of the Redskins secondary next year. I think we're going to see a lot of alligator arms for years to come, with Taylor and Landry routinely punishing opposing players.

LaRon's brother, Dawan Landry plays safety for the Ravens. He was a rookie last year and was taken in the 5th round out of Georgia Tech. My Ravens fans friends told me he was an absolute beast. He had good numbers his rookie year. NFL.com - Dawan Landry
LaRon was more highly saught after, so I'm hopin he'll have an even stronger impact than his brother did last year. I also hope that we don't have to watch Pierson Prileau start for the first half of the season. Is anyone else gonna be pissed if Landry has to sit on the bench like Rocky did last year?

Also, I've seen a few people gripe about how we did not get any help at d-line. I'm going to look at this as a positive, actually. To me, this means that Gibbs/Williams/Vinny/Snyder must have faith that Montgomery and Golston are going to turn out to be solid players. Plus, if Griff can stay healthy and Carter plays the whole season like he did at the end of last year, out D-line may not be as bad as everyone thinks it's going to be. Hopefully, I'm right.
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Old 04-29-2007, 05:11 PM   #2
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Re: Points on Landry and D-Line

Absolutely. With a heavy rotation the DL we have can be good late in games. Of course, we need a lead then not trying to play catch up.
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Old 04-29-2007, 05:20 PM   #3
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with this better secondary we can blitz more and leave corners on an island which can help our defense a lot
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with this better secondary we can blitz more and leave corners on an island which can help our defense a lot
Exactly..
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Re: Points on Landry and D-Line

I say we go after Cory Redding.
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Old 04-30-2007, 12:09 AM   #6
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with this better secondary we can blitz more and leave corners on an island which can help our defense a lot
Plus it gives a tremendous amount of flexibility that the Skins did not have last year. Like if (or when) Springs gets hurt you could move Smoot in at corner, you have David Macklin at nickel and Pierson could also play in the nickel (as he did some in 2005). I guess they are looking to rush Marcus more from what Gibbs said at his presser and we'll hope they can generate some pass rush with LB's and DB's coming. I guess you can look at it as they did not have any real pass rushers in 2005 and the defense played well. At #6 I think Landry was the right pick. Would have been nice to move down a bit and get Okoye, but from how everything played out it is pretty obvious that no one wanted to move up. Landry is far superior to Okoye at this point and much more deserving of that high a pick.
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Old 04-30-2007, 03:35 AM   #7
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I first would like so say that I'd hate to be a receiver running through the middle of the Redskins secondary next year. I think we're going to see a lot of alligator arms for years to come, with Taylor and Landry routinely punishing opposing players.

LaRon's brother, Dawan Landry plays safety for the Ravens. He was a rookie last year and was taken in the 5th round out of Georgia Tech. My Ravens fans friends told me he was an absolute beast. He had good numbers his rookie year. NFL.com - Dawan Landry
LaRon was more highly saught after, so I'm hopin he'll have an even stronger impact than his brother did last year. I also hope that we don't have to watch Pierson Prileau start for the first half of the season. Is anyone else gonna be pissed if Landry has to sit on the bench like Rocky did last year?

Also, I've seen a few people gripe about how we did not get any help at d-line. I'm going to look at this as a positive, actually. To me, this means that Gibbs/Williams/Vinny/Snyder must have faith that Montgomery and Golston are going to turn out to be solid players. Plus, if Griff can stay healthy and Carter plays the whole season like he did at the end of last year, out D-line may not be as bad as everyone thinks it's going to be. Hopefully, I'm right.
Solid post, as usual.

I think it's tough to justify not going DL at 6 or trading down to address it. What's been happening is that every year we don't address it, our defensive hole grows exponentially. On top of pushing back the start of a neccessary development process for the DL--thus delaying the rebuilding of our front 7, we also are doing two things with the current players:

#1) Waiting too long to get potential replacements on the roster for guys like Griffin, Daniels, Wynn, etc. It forces a necessary extention of their careers and a poor allocation of financial resources.

#2) Waiting while the window of oppertunity closes for guys like Springs, Washington, Fletcher, and Marshall, thus inherently giving us extra needs to fill when we need to be taking DLineman.

Landry does not help anyone get better on the defense. Landry is simply a good to great safety. But we had too many holes. We are building this thing backwards, and its going to cost us a lot financially against the cap, and the window of oppertunity is going to start much later now, and end about the same time. Less oppertunities to win it all.

Additionally, what happens next year if theres another prospect thats too good to pass up in round 1? We can't take him, because we pushed fixing the DL back another season. That's why we needed to go with Okoye such and such now, so that we could have grabbed the best available guy next year. Now we back ourselves into a corner for next draft, and every year we continue to ignore the DL, the defensive "hole" we are in will worsen exponentially.
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Solid post, as usual.

I think it's tough to justify not going DL at 6 or trading down to address it. What's been happening is that every year we don't address it, our defensive hole grows exponentially. On top of pushing back the start of a neccessary development process for the DL--thus delaying the rebuilding of our front 7, we also are doing two things with the current players:

#1) Waiting too long to get potential replacements on the roster for guys like Griffin, Daniels, Wynn, etc. It forces a necessary extention of their careers and a poor allocation of financial resources.

#2) Waiting while the window of oppertunity closes for guys like Springs, Washington, Fletcher, and Marshall, thus inherently giving us extra needs to fill when we need to be taking DLineman.

Landry does not help anyone get better on the defense. Landry is simply a good to great safety. But we had too many holes. We are building this thing backwards, and its going to cost us a lot financially against the cap, and the window of oppertunity is going to start much later now, and end about the same time. Less oppertunities to win it all.

Additionally, what happens next year if theres another prospect thats too good to pass up in round 1? We can't take him, because we pushed fixing the DL back another season. That's why we needed to go with Okoye such and such now, so that we could have grabbed the best available guy next year. Now we back ourselves into a corner for next draft, and every year we continue to ignore the DL, the defensive "hole" we are in will worsen exponentially.
While I can understand where you are comming from I have to disagree on some points. First of all, no one is making any mention of Salavea who is a pretty solid DT in our rotation. Secondly, I believe that the reason that our defense was so poor last year is because of injuries and no depth in the secondary. I know that there are those of you who will say that we couldnt stop the run either. Well, here is my rebuttle for that. Teams would throw on us all day and get a lead on us. Once they had a lead in the third and fourth quarters, teams could just start pounding on us because our defense had already been run ragged. The offense didn't help by keeping our defense on the field so long by not sustaining drives.

We have already drafted 2 young DT's last year, and we will probably get another DE next year. At first I disagreed with what the Skins did in the draft, but after a little consideration I can understand why.
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Old 04-30-2007, 06:05 AM   #9
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LaRon's brother, Dawan Landry plays safety for the Ravens. He was a rookie last year and was taken in the 5th round out of Georgia Tech. My Ravens fans friends told me he was an absolute beast. He had good numbers his rookie year. NFL.com - Dawan Landry
Yeah, my raven friends have been arguing that by years end dawan landry+ ed reed > Taylor and Laron. I've conceded that reed is better than taylor overall at this point in time but they've conceded that sean taylor is more intimidating hitter. Those raven fans are really up on dawan though.

I can't wait to see sean taylor and dawan just kill someone out there. I have always wanted a big hitter with taylor. Everyone was happy with arch taking that spot. I remember someone was selling a t-shirt called bash bros with the numbers 21 and 40 on it.

Laron is going to be able to plug up the run when needed and catch up to anyone on the field. I hope that taylor and him make each other better. All indications are that laron is a quick learner so lets hope he can pick up the system fast. Playing all 4 years at LSU is not an easy thing and having experience at both CB and Safety just builds on his experience. Laron could have easily been drafted last year but decided to stay in school. They say his real problems are going for a big hit over a sure tackle and his hands. His catching ability can't be worse than carlos's though.

I want to go back to the 2004-05 D with blitzes from everywhere. We never really did have a good d-line and we still were successful. Now we have a super fast and strong backfield and can easily afford to send a blitzer from the secondary and still have coverage back there. It will be mayhem.
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Old 04-30-2007, 07:28 AM   #10
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GTripp, I think point #2 is right on -- and you just know that next year, when Shawn Springs finally peters out, the priority from this front office will be to draft another cornerback before they address the D-line.

The writing is on the wall with these guys.
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Old 04-30-2007, 07:41 AM   #11
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While I can understand where you are comming from I have to disagree on some points. First of all, no one is making any mention of Salavea who is a pretty solid DT in our rotation. Secondly, I believe that the reason that our defense was so poor last year is because of injuries and no depth in the secondary. I know that there are those of you who will say that we couldnt stop the run either. Well, here is my rebuttle for that. Teams would throw on us all day and get a lead on us. Once they had a lead in the third and fourth quarters, teams could just start pounding on us because our defense had already been run ragged. The offense didn't help by keeping our defense on the field so long by not sustaining drives.

We have already drafted 2 young DT's last year, and we will probably get another DE next year. At first I disagreed with what the Skins did in the draft, but after a little consideration I can understand why.
Salave'a was a surprise performer back in '04 and '05 -- but he was a stop-gap measure. His condition was never one that should have been relied on as a long term starter. Remember, they signed Brandon Noble and were prepared to ride him out as the #2. Salave'a's days of being a durable, 16-game starter are long over.

And you're right -- injuries did play a role with the D-line. Salave'a and Griffin were playing banged up practically all season, and the results were obvious. All the more reason to find guys who can play as opposed to milking older players until they're completely squeezed dry.
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Going in to Gibbs first year back, I recall everyone thinking that the Dline would be a weakness. That D was top 10. My hope is that Williams and Blache can make chicken salad out of chicken s*** here--they've done it before. And no doubt GWs defense mus have good safety play, so LaRon could have a big impact right away.

My guess is that we go with a big FA on the line next season, to avoid the development issue. And we draft some depth (because with any luck, we'll have a few more day-one picks).
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I don't think we're done with the defensive line. The WP indicates they may seek a trade for a veteran, and there's always the June 1 cuts coming up.
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Going in to Gibbs first year back, I recall everyone thinking that the Dline would be a weakness. That D was top 10. My hope is that Williams and Blache can make chicken salad out of chicken s*** here--they've done it before. And no doubt GWs defense mus have good safety play, so LaRon could have a big impact right away.

My guess is that we go with a big FA on the line next season, to avoid the development issue. And we draft some depth (because with any luck, we'll have a few more day-one picks).
In Gibbs' first year back, all of those D-linemen were three years younger. It only gets tougher to make that chicken salad as the years go by and no one has been brought along to prepare for their inevitable decline.
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I will say this, you know how so many offenses tend not to throw near Champ Bailey? They're doing the same thing with Sean Taylor, though to a lesser degree.

Putting LaRon Landry back there, which side of the field are you going to avoid now? Both safeties close really quickly and have incredible range. So yes, I do think LaRon Landry will make other players better, namely Sean Taylor. More balls are going to come Taylor's way, we can probably expect more INTs, which we SORELY need.

So that's a plus. I do wish we addressed DT though. I'm comfortable with Andre Carter providing the pass rush, as we've said on this site, he came on last year and looked good. But DT, I'm not so sure. Gibbs and Williams are putting a lot of their eggs in the development of Golston and Montgomery at this point. Maybe they can be solid, but they got killed against the run last year. Maybe Fletcher can be like Pierce, and get the line in the right position before the snap. And maybe Salave'a will be over his plantar fasciatis problems and return to being a decent run stuffer.

But man, there are a lot of maybes in that last paragraph. I don't see a way we can stop guys like Philly's Shawn Andrews from opening massive holes against us. I think we're very vulnerable up the gut to the run.
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