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Hooskins Presents the "Who Needs to Step Up" Poll

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View Poll Results: Who Needs to Step Up in 2007 (Campbell not eligible)
Golston 5 4.59%
Landry 1 0.92%
McIntosh 15 13.76%
Rogers 64 58.72%
Wade 9 8.26%
Other (explain) 15 13.76%
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Old 06-12-2007, 04:43 PM   #16
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Re: Hooskins Presents the "Who Needs to Step Up" Poll

Hooskins, maybe "Other" shouldn't have been an option. Oh well, leason learned
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Old 06-12-2007, 04:48 PM   #17
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Re: Hooskins Presents the "Who Needs to Step Up" Poll

I have a quick question about the "stepping up" cliche. Does "stepping up" imply giving more effort, necessarily? Or rather, does it imply a significant improvement in ones football ability?

I don't think it was a effort problem at all. I thought the whole team fought their guts out every week. They just didn't have the talent to stay close on the road, and lost a bunch of close ones at home.

If "stepping up" refers to the latter, I think you have to look at your young players for improvement. Landry's a rookie. Wade's a seasoned vet. If we have to count on the former, our safety situation isnt so good. The latter is not someone who we should be expecting big things from at LG.

Golston was a mid round pick who should contribute under reasonably low expectations.

So the answer should be the "rest of the above" (Rocky, ST and Carlos). Our young guys need to mature and start providing some return on our investment in them.

I voted for Carlos, because Rocky has still yet to see PT. But I nominate Taylor for a choice in the poll. He needs to make the biggest strides to reach his potential.
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I'm so glad to see that most agree with me about Rogers!!!!
I voted for Rogers to "step up" because I think he is capable of playing better than he has shown, which is different than saying that he should be let go because he'll never be any good. He dropped way too many potential INTs so he needs to step up and hold on to those, just like he has to react to the pass better. He's already proved to be pretty good in run support, so he helps the team out in that aspect.

So, while we have the same answer for the poll I think we have very different reasons for our answers.
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Old 06-12-2007, 04:55 PM   #19
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I have a quick question about the "stepping up" cliche. Does "stepping up" imply giving more effort, necessarily? Or rather, does it imply a significant improvement in ones football ability?

I don't think it was a effort problem at all. I thought the whole team fought their guts out every week. They just didn't have the talent to stay close on the road, and lost a bunch of close ones at home.

If "stepping up" refers to the latter, I think you have to look at your young players for improvement. Landry's a rookie. Wade's a seasoned vet. If we have to count on the former, our safety situation isnt so good. The latter is not someone who we should be expecting big things from at LG.

Golston was a mid round pick who should contribute under reasonably low expectations.

So the answer should be the "rest of the above" (Rocky, ST and Carlos). Our young guys need to mature and start providing some return on our investment in them.

I voted for Carlos, because Rocky has still yet to see PT. But I nominate Taylor for a choice in the poll. He needs to make the biggest strides to reach his potential.
It's Hooskins poll, so you'll have to ask him. But I believe essentially it's who needs to step forward (perhaps that's a better term here) and perform at a higher level than last year in order for us to be successful.

Can we, for example, afford another season of drops by Rogers so long as Rocky McIntosh plays like LaVar circa 2002?
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Old 06-12-2007, 05:00 PM   #20
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GTripp, I hear what you're saying. But I look at a team like Philly. To me, there's nothing special about their defense or their team for that matter. But you know what, they are extremely well coached; Year after year after year.

In my opinion, when your talent only takes you so far, coaching takes you the rest of the way. Coaching is that decisive and competitive advantage that separates poor teams from good teams and good ones from great ones.

When you listen to player post game interviews after a big win, I tend to hear the same thing...."the coaches did a good job getting us ready"...or "we were really prepared for this game". Maybe it's just my selective hearing, but I rarely heard that coming from our locker room last season.
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It's Hooskins poll, so you'll have to ask him. But I believe essentially it's who needs to step forward (perhaps that's a better term here) and perform at a higher level than last year in order for us to be successful.

Can we, for example, afford another season of drops by Rogers so long as Rocky McIntosh plays like LaVar circa 2002?
Well, I think in that case that it really doesn't matter who steps up, so long as we find a quality player somewhere, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

If Rocky were to play like Lavar2002, it would more than make up for a few dropped INTs. However, its far more reasonable to expect Rogers to put a little time into improving his hands in the offseason than it is to expect Rocky to be the next coming.

I mean outside of the LBs, we are pretty much attacking this thing with the same team as last year. So to expect better results than last year, we have to expect better play than last year. And it can come from anyone, but within reason, we have a new MLB, and a new WLB. So it's pretty much going to have to come from there. The rest of the team is back.
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GTripp, I hear what you're saying. But I look at a team like Philly. To me, there's nothing special about their defense or their team for that matter. But you know what, they are extremely well coached; Year after year after year.

In my opinion, when your talent only takes you so far, coaching takes you the rest of the way. Coaching is that decisive and competitive advantage that separates poor teams from good teams and good ones from great ones.

When you listen to player post game interviews after a big win, I tend to hear the same thing...."the coaches did a good job getting us ready"...or "we were really prepared for this game". Maybe it's just my selective hearing, but I rarely heard that coming from our locker room last season.
The Eagles also do a wonderful job with their personel year after year. And Reid is the league's top coach right now IMO. But if you kept their personel and made Marty Mornignweg the coach there, I don't think you'd see a noticible dropoff in their team play.

Coaching can provide a strategic (and unpredictable) advantage in the short term, but in the long run, I just feel that the talent on the field has to carry the team.
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If the team fought their guts out we wouldn't have lost. Sad truth, but it is the truth. I think there were a lot of players that just didn't care, or were frustrated and gave up way too early in the season. Gibbs wouldn't have had to scream at them at the end of the year if they had been fighthing their guts out.
Not true. That assumes that every team that loses could have won if they tried harder. Players who don't go all out on every play don't last very long in this league. It was not an effort issue.
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rocky and landry can't step up since they haven't actually played yet. golston did step up, but he doesn't really look like he'll ever be a stud DT.

wade played well in limited time, he just needs to keep it up.

that leaves only rogers that actually needs to step up, but even if he continues to struggle, smoot and macklin are right there, so that's not really an amazing option either.

Other - the entire D, especially the front four.
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Old 06-12-2007, 05:18 PM   #25
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Hooskins, our poll is getting picked apart. Not surprising I suppose. This always happens with polls.
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Hooskins, our poll is getting picked apart. Not surprising I suppose. This always happens with polls.
Lol, well I guess. I think people are missing the point with Landry and Rocky. I guess the poll would be better worded if it was something like pick the player who's play will need to be the best in order for us to succeed.
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It's Hooskins poll, so you'll have to ask him. But I believe essentially it's who needs to step forward (perhaps that's a better term here) and perform at a higher level than last year in order for us to be successful.

Can we, for example, afford another season of drops by Rogers so long as Rocky McIntosh plays like LaVar circa 2002?
I think that is exactly what I mean.
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The Eagles also do a wonderful job with their personel year after year. And Reid is the league's top coach right now IMO. But if you kept their personel and made Marty Mornignweg the coach there, I don't think you'd see a noticible dropoff in their team play.

Coaching can provide a strategic (and unpredictable) advantage in the short term, but in the long run, I just feel that the talent on the field has to carry the team.
I feel just the opposite. I think the talent, in many cases, is close at this level. Closer than we think. The way rosters turn over in the NFL now a days, the only constant is the coaching staff and continuity of thought.

We agree that Reid is one of the top coaches in the NFL, but I disagree that any old Joe Schmo can't get the same results with the same team. This guy takes J. Trotter, who by some accounts, is a system linebacker. Yet he somehow manages to be in the discussion as one of the better linebackers in the NFC.

The fact of the matter is, one would really have a hard time quantifying good coaching. Other than wins and losses, it's hard to really 'see' it over the course of a game. Sure, if it's third and one, and your team has rushed for over two hundred yards during the game, and the coach decides to thow a bomb to the end zone, that probably was a questionable call there.

I think it shows up in areas like lack of penalties, exececution of time clock, tackles made/missed, passes caught/dropped and maybe a few other areas. It's more mental. I believe players excute to the extent of their preparedness and confidence in the overall strategy. That's why you can fight your guts out every game and still lose week after week. At this level true professionals have the mental edge over the opponent.

I happen to think Gregg Williams is a wonderful coach but this is his year to step up.
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Re: Hooskins Presents the "Who Needs to Step Up" Poll

Carlos Rogers
Because our LB group is stronger and deeper than last year:

1) Marcus Washington
2) London Fletcher
3) Rocky McIntosh
4) Lemar Marshall
5) Khary Campbell
6) Dallas Sartz
7) H.B. Blades

to name a few, if McIntosh fails we have good backups that will do well.
But the key to William's defense is CB. They have to be good at man coverage and support the run for Williams' defense to have the flexability to do all the blitzing he likes to do.
Carlos filling the role of legit #1 or #2 CB is critical to our success next year. Smoot is no longer a legit #1 or #2 CB, he is a great #3 and that is about it. He proved that in his years at Minnesota. If we counted on Smoot to start we are in trouble like last year when Rogers and Springs missed time due to injuries and our backups had problems.
Carlos Rogers and Springs missed alot of time due to injury last year and it cuased alot of problems/off year for our defense. I look for both of them to rebound and have good years.
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Rogers will be fine, he's very young and has shown a ton of promise. To me, Todd Wade will be the 2nd most critical factor to success on the offensive side of the ball. Him being so tall scares me a bit for a guard and if we can't run the ball well to help a young QB out, we're in trouble.
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