Hooskins Presents the "Who Needs to Step Up" Poll

Mattyk · 06-14-2007, 09:51 AM

I think last year the coaches did the best they could with what little they had, especially on defense. But then again you have to place the blame on them for not building quality depth especially in the secondary.

On offense the adjustment to Saunders' offense and infamous 700-page playbook was an issue, and I think there may have been some behind the scenes philosophical differences between Gibbs and Saunders that appeared to have been ironed out by season's end.

irish · 06-14-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think last year the coaches did the best they could with what little they had, especially on defense. But then again you have to place the blame on them for not building quality depth especially in the secondary.

On offense the adjustment to Saunders' offense and infamous 700-page playbook was an issue, and I think there may have been some behind the scenes philosophical differences between Gibbs and Saunders that appeared to have been ironed out by season's end.

The 700 page playbook is the most obvious example of what I'm talking about. There is no way all that "stuff" helped put the O in a position to be successful. I agree that some of the problems with that tome had been ironed out by the end of the season.

As for the D, I dont think anyone knew better than the coaches what the strengths and weaknesses were. IMO they did not develop schemes to maximize the strengths and minimize the weaknesses.

Mattyk · 06-14-2007, 10:05 AM

On D I think it was tough to do anything with guys like Rumph and Wright playing corner, and the disaster that was AA at safety. GW obviously dumbed things down scheme-wise and wasn't as aggressive as he wanted and needed to be.

Redskins_P · 06-14-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I voted Rogers, however, I think they all need to step up. I went with Rogers because he was the 9th overall pick (a pick I didn't like at the time) and he hasn't shown me any reason to believe he'll be a #1 corner. I think he's a lot better than people think, but he's not THAT good. He should be a shut down corner if he's gonna go 9.

What he said....

12thMan · 06-14-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

IMO they did not develop schemes to maximize the strengths and minimize the weaknesses.

You just summed up numerous posts by yours truly in one post.

GTripp0012 · 06-14-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

As for the D, I dont think anyone knew better than the coaches what the strengths and weaknesses were. IMO they did not develop schemes to maximize the strengths and minimize the weaknesses.

Well, very possibly a good point, but what is your evidence for this? Just a hunch? An assumption?

Can you give an example of something that you/another NFL coach would have done differently in the same situation?

irish · 06-14-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, very possibly a good point, but what is your evidence for this? Just a hunch? An assumption?

Can you give an example of something that you/another NFL coach would have done differently in the same situation?

Mostly a hypothesis based on observations. To me it seemed like players looked lost and out of position. I guess all I can say (not being a coach) is that I would have tried to simplify the schemes to maximize the chance for players to be in position and not look lost. That said, I cant imagine that the D coaches didnt try to do the same.

Its easy to coach great talent but what really makes a great coach, IMO, is to take average talent & make it play great. These coaches need to make the average talent the Redskins have (both O & D) and make it play great.

TenandSix:Unacceptable · 06-14-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I voted other because I think Griffin and Springs are the leaders of this defense and when they go down the whole D goes down. So I feel both of their levels of play have to improve to the type of play we saw in 05. I think the rest of the D will follow when these two step it up.

We have a Winner!!!

I voted Rogers, but as I read about it and thought about who we really need to step up, it became clear to me that if Griffin and Springs have bounce back years, our defense is going to be excellent. Griffin can single handedly turn our d-line from below average to average if he plays well. That's a huge jump that would affect all facets of our defense. Similarly, if Springs plays well, Carlos Rogers' play becomes a secondary concern; no pun intended. We have other players who will take his spot if he under performs. I guess if Rogers becomes as good as Springs was, he makes Springs' play less important. Ultimately, we need either one of them to play at a #1 corner level. Springs has that pedigree, so he is the more likely candidate.

IMO the three main reasons our defense slipped so badly last year are simple:

-We had no #1 corner.

-We had no one who commanded double teams on the d-line.

-Our nickleback play was horrendous.

Griffin and Springs can solve problems 1, 2 and 3.

mike340 · 06-14-2007, 07:29 PM

Springs has to be it. Rogers has over half the vote, but if Springs is healthy (and as good as in years past), Smoot can step up if Rogers is having trouble. That wouldn't be too much of a drop-off. I can think of at least one good defensive game (New Orleans) from last year, and that was one of the few with a healthy Springs in the lineup.

Someone said we don't have many weapons on defense that we didn't have last year. I would say a healthy Springs is the key to this defense, and we didn't have that last year.

jdockser · 06-14-2007, 07:57 PM

im going to go ahead and bank this one on Wade. in order for us to win games (this is pretty basic) we need to do 2 things. stop the run, and run the ball well. without wade stepping up, our running game is at a huge disadvantage. we have an abundance of people who can step up if carlos doesnt (ie smooty) and we are deep at LB. i look to see golston improve as he did last year, but he wont be a superstar, yet.

. Landry needs to live up to his potential, which may be stepping up in itself. one more note, if greggy wants to sucess gibbs, defense MUST be in the the top 5, 7 at least.

NM Redskin · 06-14-2007, 08:07 PM

Ummm.... a certain guy named Shaun Suisham! If this guy doesnt play well we are in deep @#$%. We all know the woes of a poor kicking game. We can't have the missed 30 yarders and kicking it out of bounds and the other team getting the ball at the 40. I think and hope Suisham can do it this year. He seems like money inside the 40, but not a great guy beyond it. And Frost, I hope this guy can step up too!

jsarno · 06-14-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NM Redskin

Ummm.... a certain guy named Shaun Suisham! If this guy doesnt play well we are in deep @#$%. We all know the woes of a poor kicking game. We can't have the missed 30 yarders and kicking it out of bounds and the other team getting the ball at the 40. I think and hope Suisham can do it this year. He seems like money inside the 40, but not a great guy beyond it. And Frost, I hope this guy can step up too!

You know, that's really not a bad pick at all.
I think we all remember the woes of having a poor kicking game.

I am surprised that so many think it's rogers.

4mrusmc · 06-14-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Rogers without question. This is a guy who was drafted ninth overall and to now he has done NOTHING to show for it. 3 interceptions in two seasons. We are not talking about some walk-on scrub this guy was a thorpe award winner. I am sick of him getting burnt. Get up on the line jam the WR's and run with them. I mean he runs a 4.37 god!!!!!!!!!!!1 If he doesn't start doing this, he WILL be riding the bench.

Thankyou quake for showing a little care and concern for this team. It is refreshing to see a little emotion and heart about obvious matters concerning the weak links on this team. I am little troubled by some of the people here who are so eager to defend or explain away their pathatic play.

jdockser · 06-15-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NM Redskin

Ummm.... a certain guy named Shaun Suisham! If this guy doesnt play well we are in deep @#$%. We all know the woes of a poor kicking game. We can't have the missed 30 yarders and kicking it out of bounds and the other team getting the ball at the 40. I think and hope Suisham can do it this year. He seems like money inside the 40, but not a great guy beyond it. And Frost, I hope this guy can step up too!

wow! SUISHAM. what a money call. i try to forget the days we would go through kickers, yet they came back last year. would love to see a stable kicker in DC! especially considering how skins games always seem to get close, we need a good kicker

SmootSmack · 06-15-2007, 06:33 PM

Yeah, Suisham is a good call. I'm hoping we score enough TDs though not to need him too often.

View Poll Results: Who Needs to Step Up in 2007 (Campbell not eligible)
Golston	5	4.59%
Landry	1	0.92%
McIntosh	15	13.76%
Rogers	64	58.72%
Wade	9	8.26%
Other (explain)	15	13.76%
Voters: 109. You may not vote on this poll

06-14-2007, 09:51 AM	#76
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 73,199	Re: Hooskins Presents the "Who Needs to Step Up" Poll I think last year the coaches did the best they could with what little they had, especially on defense. But then again you have to place the blame on them for not building quality depth especially in the secondary. On offense the adjustment to Saunders' offense and infamous 700-page playbook was an issue, and I think there may have been some behind the scenes philosophical differences between Gibbs and Saunders that appeared to have been ironed out by season's end. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

06-14-2007, 10:05 AM	#78
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 73,199	Re: Hooskins Presents the "Who Needs to Step Up" Poll On D I think it was tough to do anything with guys like Rumph and Wright playing corner, and the disaster that was AA at safety. GW obviously dumbed things down scheme-wise and wasn't as aggressive as he wanted and needed to be. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

06-14-2007, 07:29 PM	#84
mike340 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 56 Posts: 267	Re: Hooskins Presents the "Who Needs to Step Up" Poll Springs has to be it. Rogers has over half the vote, but if Springs is healthy (and as good as in years past), Smoot can step up if Rogers is having trouble. That wouldn't be too much of a drop-off. I can think of at least one good defensive game (New Orleans) from last year, and that was one of the few with a healthy Springs in the lineup. Someone said we don't have many weapons on defense that we didn't have last year. I would say a healthy Springs is the key to this defense, and we didn't have that last year.

06-14-2007, 07:57 PM	#85
jdockser Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: bethesda, MD Posts: 49	Re: Hooskins Presents the "Who Needs to Step Up" Poll im going to go ahead and bank this one on Wade. in order for us to win games (this is pretty basic) we need to do 2 things. stop the run, and run the ball well. without wade stepping up, our running game is at a huge disadvantage. we have an abundance of people who can step up if carlos doesnt (ie smooty) and we are deep at LB. i look to see golston improve as he did last year, but he wont be a superstar, yet. . Landry needs to live up to his potential, which may be stepping up in itself. one more note, if greggy wants to sucess gibbs, defense MUST be in the the top 5, 7 at least. __________________ Hail to the Redskins!

06-14-2007, 08:07 PM	#86
NM Redskin The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,004	Re: Hooskins Presents the "Who Needs to Step Up" Poll Ummm.... a certain guy named Shaun Suisham! If this guy doesnt play well we are in deep @#$%. We all know the woes of a poor kicking game. We can't have the missed 30 yarders and kicking it out of bounds and the other team getting the ball at the 40. I think and hope Suisham can do it this year. He seems like money inside the 40, but not a great guy beyond it. And Frost, I hope this guy can step up too! __________________ Despite my solid 40 time and great intangibles I went undrafted AGAIN!

06-15-2007, 06:33 PM	#90
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,222	Re: Hooskins Presents the "Who Needs to Step Up" Poll Yeah, Suisham is a good call. I'm hoping we score enough TDs though not to need him too often. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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