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Old 07-11-2007, 02:56 PM   #121
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What games are we talking about here?
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Old 07-11-2007, 04:30 PM   #122
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What games are we talking about here?
One of them that I was refering to was against the Cleveland Browns. Portis landed on top of a pile of players and fumbled the ball. I know the rule that since he never physically touched the ground that he was not considered down, however his foreward progress was stopped and the whistle should have been blown. That is my percecption and not the percecption of the officials. Maybe I had my beer and Redskins goggles on, but that was my take on the situation.
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Old 07-11-2007, 06:00 PM   #123
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Why can't they both be great? Seems like a lot of people are attacking Betts in this thread and I don't get that. It's possible to think Portis is probably better without having to diminish what Betts was able to accomplish last year.
THANK YOU . It is amazing that so many fans bash on player or another . Should we pick and chose a player at each position and sling mud at the guy less talanted ? Who cares if Betts is " better " or not ,,, whoever is moving the chains is going to get the carries .
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Old 07-11-2007, 08:45 PM   #124
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One thing that I love about Betts is his hands. IMO he's the perfect 2nd and short running back.

We run the PA, look deep, and if it's not there, we dump off to Betts who can make a play out of it. That's a luxury that a lot teams covet.

His fumbling is definitely a reason for major concern, and something that must be addressed during the off-season. I definitely won't be looking forward to the possibility of more fumbles than touchdowns. That will not fly.
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Old 07-11-2007, 08:58 PM   #125
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I think tiki barber had a fumbling prob and was able to overcome it. Give Betts a break. Portis did fumble 5 times and the cleveland and Giants one were horrible ones. Especially the browns game. First play after the half.
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Re: Portis vs. Betts

After carefully looking over Tiki's, Portis', and Betts' stats. I really don't see cause for panic.

  • Tiki's fumbles: 3,1,5,9,8,9,9,5,1,3 avg- 5.3
  • Clinton's fumbles: 5,3,5,3,0 avg- 3.2
  • Ladell's fumbles: 2,0,0,3,6

He's had issues, and it's cause for concern, but nothing more than that. The 6 is bad, but not necessarily indicative of a trend. Does anyone know where to find his college stats. I was able to find some, but couldn't find fumbles.
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Old 07-12-2007, 01:23 AM   #127
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I think tiki barber had a fumbling prob and was able to overcome it. Give Betts a break. Portis did fumble 5 times and the cleveland and Giants one were horrible ones. Especially the browns game. First play after the half.
What do Tiki Barber and Betts have in common?

Nothing.

Why do people insist on bringing up Tiki? Is Betts changing the way he grips the ball? NO

Is Betts going to be the feature back going into the season? NO

Is Betts going to win the rushing title? NO

Is Betts going to be a Hall of Fame candidate. NO

Do not mention Tiki and Betts in the same sentence. It drips with ignorance.
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Old 07-12-2007, 01:26 AM   #128
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After carefully looking over Tiki's, Portis', and Betts' stats. I really don't see cause for panic.
  • Tiki's fumbles: 3,1,5,9,8,9,9,5,1,3 avg- 5.3
  • Clinton's fumbles: 5,3,5,3,0 avg- 3.2
  • Ladell's fumbles: 2,0,0,3,6
He's had issues, and it's cause for concern, but nothing more than that. The 6 is bad, but not necessarily indicative of a trend. Does anyone know where to find his college stats. I was able to find some, but couldn't find fumbles.
Did you even consider the number of carries? When Betts gets a lot of carries, he has a lot of fumbles and yes that is a trend.
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Old 07-12-2007, 07:04 AM   #129
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Did you even consider the number of carries? When Betts gets a lot of carries, he has a lot of fumbles and yes that is a trend.
i have to agree here. it seems like the more Betts carries, the more he puts it on the ground. but, that is something that can be fixed. he had better fix it, or he will watch his carries dwindle
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He should change the way he holds the ball. Look at what it did for Tiki.
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:43 AM   #131
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Betts fumbles more often than Portis, let's look at the numbers.

Betts has 751 career touches including rushing attempts, receptions and kick returns. He has 11 career fumbles, or one fumble for every 68.27 touches.

Portis has 1543 career touches including rushing attempts and receptions. He has 16 career fumbles, or one fumble for every 96.44 touches.
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Old 07-12-2007, 10:17 AM   #132
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Let's look at TD/Fumble ratio:

Portis *52/16
Betts *9/11

*does not include rushing or special teams.
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:32 AM   #133
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If i remembered didnt portis fumble alot his first year here. All RB fumble. Betts did a great job in there. I would feel very comfortable with him as our starter if Protis wanst here.
That would make one of us.. His fumbles are at the worst times that cost us games.
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:42 AM   #134
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That would make one of us.. His fumbles are at the worst times that cost us games.
Yeah, he had a few backbreaking fumbles last season. I don't know that you can say any one play in any game "cost the team the game," but Ladell definitely cost the team a few chances to win games late. Also, that fumble in the Giants game at the end of the season, was just an example of what he did last year...ran well, the team builds a good drive and the he coughed it up in Giants territory, absolutely a killer.
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Did you even consider the number of carries? When Betts gets a lot of carries, he has a lot of fumbles and yes that is a trend.
Yeah, that's why I wasn't including Betts' fumbling average. The number per carries highlights it much better, and yes, it does indicate a trend.
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