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Old 07-07-2007, 08:20 AM   #31
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Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint

It just seems to me that the longer you watch sports the clearer it becomes that stats are overrated. In baseball fine but in football so much is unquantifiable.
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...I also thought his play in the Pro Bowl (not just the hit on the kicker, but his overall play) suggested what he is capable of given a competent supporting cast.
I noticed that too, perhaps it's GW's overrated scheme that is holding him back, just as it did Walt Harris.
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...No one can say a single word about Taylor after Roy Williams made it last year. He was pathetic absolutely pathetic last year in coverage.
I am continuosly saying this to Dallas fans, and they give me the "he gets picks" speach. Not realizing that Roy has great instincts and stays around the ball, but when the ball is in the air he chokes, I've never seen a player miss out on so many interceptions (besides Carlos Rogers) than Roy. His picks could have been more than doubled last year if he made better plays on the ball once thrown.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:28 PM   #34
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Taylor was very good in coverage his first two seasons. He struggled last year at times, but that was more of a symptom of bad LBs in front of him and a secondary decimated by injuries around him. We asked him to do too much. But he played better late in the year. Remember that game saving tackle against Carolina??
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Taylor made the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement, but the metrics make it clear he didn't earn the spot. He ranked 20th in both deep assist YPA and deep assist success percentage. He did even worse when in direct coverage, as his 10.7 YPA in those situations was the seventh worst in the NFL last year. He also gave up the second-most total yards of any coverage safety. Taylor did do a lot more to support the run last year than he did in years past, but even taking that into account, he really wasn't a Pro Bowl-level coverage safety last year.
Yeah, well ....

The whole defense sucked last year. You could find stats about every individual player. I got the impression that ST was trying to do too much to cover for breakdowns elsewhere in the secondary.

So here's the question. Conventional wisdom says a good pass rush helps the pass coverage. Our coaches say better coverage will lead to better pass rushing. They drafted LaRon Landry and have a lot of cornerbacks in camp, but no big moves on the d-line. Gre-double-GG is moving to Cover-1 to exploit Taylors pass covering abilities with Landry/Prioleau supporting the run & short passes.

Think it will work?
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Taylor made the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement, but the metrics make it clear he didn't earn the spot. He ranked 20th in both deep assist YPA and deep assist success percentage. He did even worse when in direct coverage, as his 10.7 YPA in those situations was the seventh worst in the NFL last year. He also gave up the second-most total yards of any coverage safety. Taylor did do a lot more to support the run last year than he did in years past, but even taking that into account, he really wasn't a Pro Bowl-level coverage safety last year.
and his DLine was one of the worst ever, his LB crew was trash and his 2ndary was garbage... lots of injuries and AA/wright/rodgers/etc on the field. not good times.
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Taylor one of the best hitting safties in football, but he has to be alot better in coverage. He killed us on his bad angles.
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I guess Joyner has no clue who John Lynch is, the most overrated safety in the leauge besides Roy Williams. How in the world does Joyner get away with putting Ed Reed, and Sean Taylor in the overrated list?, and forgets all about John Lynch who is the most deserving I mean this guy steals a pro bowl spot every year from a way more deserving safety just because his name is John Lynch. I will admit Lynch was a above average safety with the Bucs, but since he has been with the Broncos he has been horrendous.
He is not a young man , but he has been the hardest hitting safety since R.Lott, and he does not get out of position very often . I would have bet the ranch , had he been our SS next to Taylor , we would have the best Safety tandem in the NFL the last few years . If Landry plays at a high level early , and we get a pass rush , Taylor will be a top 3 - 5 safety .
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I realize I can come off condecening at times, but its frusterating to sit here and see two parties bicker over the irrelivant/simple issues.
Proper spelling is overrated. How's that for condescension? J/K.
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Proper spelling is overrated. How's that for condescension? J/K.
Whoa. Three spelling errors in a single post.

I've throughly been skooled.
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Proper spelling is overrated. How's that for condescension? J/K.
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Whoa. Three spelling errors in a single post.

I've throughly been skooled.
Ha! I love to see someone who can take a good jab.
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