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Old 07-06-2007, 02:23 PM   #1
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Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insid..._kc&id=2924354

Pretty much nothing we didn't already know, but it's somewhat redeeming to see that ST isn't alone in his struggles.
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Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint

Gtripp - can you paste the story onto a post - I'm not a subscriber to ESPN Insider.

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Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint

See, I read that and then I see the company he's in like Ed Reed and I still feel OK about our situation. They always talk about these metrics and honestly if you look at other safeties in the league, I'll take Reed and Taylor over them any day regardless of this metric junk.
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Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint

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Gtripp - can you paste the story onto a post - I'm not a subscriber to ESPN Insider.

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yeah that makes 2
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Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint

what metric shows how long it takes people to get up after being hit?
or the metric that accounts for Taylor covering for AA?
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See, I read that and then I see the company he's in like Ed Reed and I still feel OK about our situation. They always talk about these metrics and honestly if you look at other safeties in the league, I'll take Reed and Taylor over them any day regardless of this metric junk.
I'd rather have the safety that breaks up the pass and prevents the yards, but I guess I'm weird for being in that junk.

Who needs good defense when you can see people get lit up!
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Taylor made the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement, but the metrics make it clear he didn't earn the spot. He ranked 20th in both deep assist YPA and deep assist success percentage. He did even worse when in direct coverage, as his 10.7 YPA in those situations was the seventh worst in the NFL last year. He also gave up the second-most total yards of any coverage safety. Taylor did do a lot more to support the run last year than he did in years past, but even taking that into account, he really wasn't a Pro Bowl-level coverage safety last year.
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Taylor made the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement, but the metrics make it clear he didn't earn the spot. He ranked 20th in both deep assist YPA and deep assist success percentage. He did even worse when in direct coverage, as his 10.7 YPA in those situations was the seventh worst in the NFL last year. He also gave up the second-most total yards of any coverage safety. Taylor did do a lot more to support the run last year than he did in years past, but even taking that into account, he really wasn't a Pro Bowl-level coverage safety last year.

Thanks - I hope Taylor comes back to surprise people this year with his coverage
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Thanks - I hope Taylor comes back to surprise people this year with his coverage
As do I.
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I'd rather have the safety that breaks up the pass and prevents the yards, but I guess I'm weird for being in that junk.

Who needs good defense when you can see people get lit up!
I'm not even talking about that. I think a lot of that stuff is overrated. Big hits aside, I'm talking about pure difference makers. I think that a lot of people would say that Reed or Taylor are bigger difference makers than anyone who "rates" metrically higher.
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Hmmmmm, I think his hit on that poor kicker says otherwise.
Neither here nor there in a thread about pass coverage.

Still, quite entertaining.
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I'm not even talking about that. I think a lot of that stuff is overrated. Big hits aside, I'm talking about pure difference makers. I think that a lot of people would say that Reed or Taylor are bigger difference makers than anyone who "rates" metrically higher.
What differences are there that are more important than preventing foward moving offense? Interceptions, maybe?

ST had a mere one of those that year.

If he's not good at playing safety, thats the only think I care about.
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I don't think it was him so much as it was the team around him last year. Obviously his first two years in the league he was good to great, then the entire team goes down the drain...
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Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint

I guess Joyner has no clue who John Lynch is, the most overrated safety in the leauge besides Roy Williams. How in the world does Joyner get away with putting Ed Reed, and Sean Taylor in the overrated list?, and forgets all about John Lynch who is the most deserving I mean this guy steals a pro bowl spot every year from a way more deserving safety just because his name is John Lynch. I will admit Lynch was a above average safety with the Bucs, but since he has been with the Broncos he has been horrendous.
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Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint

Metrics aren't going to tell you the impact of Sean Taylor missing the Tampa game two years ago, allowing Chris Simms to own the middle of the field deep and resulting in over 30 points scored by the Bucs. And possibly costing us the division title in the long run.

Metrics aren't going to tell you the impact of when Todd Pinkston (was it Pinkston?) hears Taylor's footsteps and looks the other way out of fear instead of focusing on the ball.

Metrics aren't going to tell you Sean Taylor's vision and awareness (and pure athletic ability) to run full speed, pick a ball up off a bounce and take off leading to the winning field goal in dramatic fashion.

True, there's plenty Taylor needs to improve on. But we're much better off with him on the field than without him.
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