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Old 07-17-2007, 05:22 PM   #46
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Speaking of the Redskins being bashed on every sports show in America, I don't know if you guys saw it but on Cold Pizza they said "Well its never too early to look forward to next year. So who do you think will be the overall #1 pick in 2008?? Well to figure that out you have to decide who will have the #1 pick and my choice will have to go with the Washington Redskins drafting the DE out of USC". That just makes me laugh. The worst record in the NFL, yeah right. I cant wait for this season to start.
This was months ago. It was a guest columnist from a newspaper who said he thought they'd have the first pick
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Old 07-17-2007, 05:23 PM   #47
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Old 07-17-2007, 06:41 PM   #48
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People who love to argue for arguments sake or prove a point absolutely every and any chance they get because it makes them feel better about themselves even though they will never really get over the deep rooted pain of not making the debate team. I don't know.

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unfortually it probably true but i would say were about in the 20's for the defensive line.
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Palmer was a complete waste of a pick. Clearly our biggest draft mistake was not moving up in the 6th round to pick Mason Crosby as our kicker of the future. I mean, Suisham? WTF? Does anyone know if Vanderjagt is still out there to pick up? Nothing like losing close games with a crappy kicker.
Isnt' Vanderjagt a crappy kicker now?
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So let me get this straight. The Redskins line is the worst in the league. Now, are we talking about a line that has the #1 Pro-bowl corner hurt, Smoot and Macklin hurt, #1 Pro-bowl linebacker hurt, Fletcher hurt, Marshall hurt, Big Joe hurt, Daniels hurt, Griffin hurt, Rocky a bust, Carter regresses, Golston and Montgomery do not improve at all, and Landry is a bust. If all of those scenarios are true than I will agree with them. Otherwise, they are a bunch of f-ing morons who looked at the 2006 stats before they put together a meaningless article.

And for anyone who agrees with them. Shame on you.

Why don't people look at the FACTS before they agree with some idiotic article that was composed in late June?
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So says Scouts Inc.

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32. Washington Redskins
Six-year veteran Andre Carter is the most solid player on the defensive line. He has been surrounded by underachievers and aging athletes. Carter has excellent quickness off the edge but has never been a physical player versus the run. Phillip Daniels is on the backside of his career and does not have much playmaking ability. Backup ends Demetric Evans and Renaldo Wynn have shown little playmaking ability throughout their careers. Defensive tackles Cornelius Griffin underachieved in 2006 and has been an inconsistent performer much of his career. Rookie sixth-round pick Kedric Golston and backup Joe Salave'a play hard but don't have the tools to be impact players. The Redskins didn't address the defensive line deficiencies in the 2007 draft. Instead they tried to plug holes with veteran retreads.
I think that's a little harsh. And was it written by Andre Carter's agent? That first sentence is news to me. Also, C.G. has been hampered by injury but to label him an inconsistent performer is to not have seem him play in Washington. If you mean oft-injured then write that. We may have the worst line in the league, but this writer doesn't seem to have arrived at that conclusion by watching games.

We definitely need better play from this group and I do agree that we lack playmakers at DE, which is why I was an advocate for drafting that position. Even If Andre Carter plays great, you still have a hole on the other side. P.D. can't have much left in the tank at this point.
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So let me get this straight. The Redskins line is the worst in the league. Now, are we talking about a line that has the #1 Pro-bowl corner hurt, Smoot and Macklin hurt, #1 Pro-bowl linebacker hurt, Fletcher hurt, Marshall hurt, Big Joe hurt, Daniels hurt, Griffin hurt, Rocky a bust, Carter regresses, Golston and Montgomery do not improve at all, and Landry is a bust. If all of those scenarios are true than I will agree with them. Otherwise, they are a bunch of f-ing morons who looked at the 2006 stats before they put together a meaningless article.

And for anyone who agrees with them. Shame on you.

Why don't people look at the FACTS before they agree with some idiotic article that was composed in late June?
I don't think the linebackers and secondary have anything to do with this analysis though. This is strictly the DTs and DEs
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I don't thin the linebackers and secondary have anything to do with this analysis though. This is strictly the DTs and DEs
Than that is a faulty analysis. Every level affects the others. That still doesn't change the assumptions that I laid out on the linemen.

I know this, the D-line was dominant against Carolina. No 32 ranked line could have performed like that.
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Than that is a faulty analysis. Every level affects the others. That still doesn't change the assumptions that I laid out on the linemen.

I know this, the D-line was dominant against Carolina. No 32 ranked line could have performed like that.
Carolina had the 24th ranked offense last year. Every d-line dominated them. Its not like they had a great o-line and our guys just took it to 'em.
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I really can't argue with this ranking. I think they could have been ranked anywhere from #28 down, and when you're that low does it really matter?
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Than that is a faulty analysis. Every level affects the others. That still doesn't change the assumptions that I laid out on the linemen.

I know this, the D-line was dominant against Carolina. No 32 ranked line could have performed like that.
Here is how I see it. When you add it all up our line isn't very good. Otherwise we would get more sacks/hurries and we would have played better run defense.

1. It seems when Griff is hurt our line totally falls apart. Perhaps the staff needs to lower his # of plays so he can stay healthy and fresh.

2. Daniels hasn't done a damn thing since he has been here except complain that he was tired because of the off season program. Go cry me a river.

3. Goldston isn't strong enough to be an every down NFL DT. Not sure what the coaches saw but I saw him getting blown off the ball waaaaay to much.

4. We don't know if Mongomery can live up to his potential.

5. AC isn't an every down 4-3 end cause he isn't strong enough.

6. Like Griff, Joe S. is starting to break down alot.

7. Evans can't beat out the starters at DE which is where we need the most help so he must not be very good.

8. Wynn? Don't even get me started. Great locker room guy and all, but he can't play at the NFL level anymore. He is as slow as a turtle.
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I'm not sure if our line is the worst in the league, but it's near the bottom. Honestly ask yourself, "How often does our d-line get pressure from the front four alone?" I think Carter, Golston, and Griffin have the potential to be very good players, but potential does not always produce results. There is not one player on the line who is very good on a consistent basis. Golston could be a keeper, but he showed me very little last season to get crazy about. Griffin is great when he is on the field, but he rarely hits the field. Carter was great in the last quarter of the season, but was a big disappointment in the first 10+ games. Daniels hasn't had a great day since Week 16 of the 2005 season.

That being said, I think the depth at DB and LB bodes very well for our defense. Every team has holes, ours just happen to be up front and, who knows, maybe Griffin will stay healthy, Carter will maintain his high level of production, and Golston will emerge as a quality player.
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So let me get this straight. The Redskins line is the worst in the league. Now, are we talking about a line that has the #1 Pro-bowl corner hurt, Smoot and Macklin hurt, #1 Pro-bowl linebacker hurt, Fletcher hurt, Marshall hurt, Big Joe hurt, Daniels hurt, Griffin hurt, Rocky a bust, Carter regresses, Golston and Montgomery do not improve at all, and Landry is a bust. If all of those scenarios are true than I will agree with them. Otherwise, they are a bunch of f-ing morons who looked at the 2006 stats before they put together a meaningless article.

And for anyone who agrees with them. Shame on you.

Why don't people look at the FACTS before they agree with some idiotic article that was composed in late June?
Grim, the facts agree with the conclusion reached by Scouts Inc. All you are doing is passing the blame from one unit to the next tryimg to justify a defensive rebound this season.

Sean Taylor is not to blame for taking poor angles and god awful pass coverage because the line was bad. The Line is not to blame for being awful because Holdman and Marshall suck and the DBs are doing a bad job. The Linebackers are doing a poor job because Carter and Golston aren't eating up blocks.

Well, at least if no one is at fault, we dont have to worry about ever fixing the problems.

Every unit on the defense was below average next year. We didn't do nearly enough (nor could we with one first day draft pick) to change the future outlook for this unit.

Everyone is one year older. For players like Sean Taylor and Carlos Rogers, that means one more year of experience. For everyone else, it means the expectation for effectiveness decreases from last year. Unfortunately for us, that means 9 starters on defense will likely not be as good as they were last year, or at the very least, stay consistent with last years performance.

Fletcher will help in the middle, but you know what his "upside" is. There's really no potential on this defense for this season, especially in the front seven. If everyone stays healthy though, these guys just may have enough left in their tanks to improve on a sup par 2006 season. Just dont count on it, this defense is way, way, past its theoretical prime.
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Grim, the facts agree with the conclusion reached by Scouts Inc. All you are doing is passing the blame from one unit to the next tryimg to justify a defensive rebound this season.

Sean Taylor is not to blame for taking poor angles and god awful pass coverage because the line was bad. The Line is not to blame for being awful because Holdman and Marshall suck and the DBs are doing a bad job. The Linebackers are doing a poor job because Carter and Golston aren't eating up blocks.

Well, at least if no one is at fault, we dont have to worry about ever fixing the problems.

Every unit on the defense was below average next year. We didn't do nearly enough (nor could we with one first day draft pick) to change the future outlook for this unit.

Everyone is one year older. For players like Sean Taylor and Carlos Rogers, that means one more year of experience. For everyone else, it means the expectation for effectiveness decreases from last year. Unfortunately for us, that means 9 starters on defense will likely not be as good as they were last year, or at the very least, stay consistent with last years performance.

Fletcher will help in the middle, but you know what his "upside" is. There's really no potential on this defense for this season, especially in the front seven. If everyone stays healthy though, these guys just may have enough left in their tanks to improve on a sup par 2006 season. Just dont count on it, this defense is way, way, past its theoretical prime.

GTripp has a point there, everyone on the Defense sucked equally last year.
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