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Old 07-18-2007, 03:42 PM   #91
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I wish PETA wasn't so damn gay, cause they have good ideals, they just go crazy over dumb things some times.
I'd love to start a less abrasive group for the ethical treatment of animals without being a tree hugger, and someone that thinks that they shouldn't eat cows.

Yea I love my camp fires and BBQ. Maybe you should start one. I would be on board. lol

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Yea I love my camp fires and BBQ. Maybe you should start one. I would be on board. lol

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If I had a clue how to make that group profitable, then I would.
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Oh, you mean the PETA that picked up 20 some dogs from a shelter uthanized them in a van after telling the shelter they would find them homes. Then they dump them in a dumpster. Thats a good idea.

REALLY? I didn't hear anything about this...why would they do that?
Do you have a link?
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Couple of things:
1. I read in one of the Vick related articles that the Feds have a 95% conviction rate on their indictments. (Scooter Libby, Enron Execs - rich, powerful, connected and in jail on federal indictments).

2. The Virginia federal circuit is politely known as the "Rocket Docket" - No dicking around there. The trial will begin by December or January '08.
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I don't think you understood at all what GibbsisGod was trying to say. No one is discrediting the value of human life. But allegations against Vick have nothing to do with sending an army to war. It was an inappropriate and irrelevant analogy. Then your second post was about the FBI and CIA being scum. Not a good start.

its not just the war buddy, its the way we treat dogs as equal and sometimes better than humans!! it sickens me how we get up in arms when something like this happens, but what about darfur? hell what about the homeless and less fortunate living here in america!?!? we put dogs in $500 spas, buy $200 dollar outfits etc. i just wish i could ship some of these peta people across the ocean to see what life is really like for most of world....and i have 3 dogs so its not about me hating dogs at all........
.....and after what the CIA did to the black panthers, how can i believe anything those scumbags say (sorry if there is grammer or spelling errors Mr. PSUSKINSFAN21, i'm on summer break and i could give a rats ass for a spelling check, just like most of the other people on this site from what i read) this AIN'T english 101.....like the AIN'T
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REALLY? I didn't hear anything about this...why would they do that?
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ARTICLE: DEA investigating PETA over euthanasia drug training (The Virginian-Pilot - HamptonRoads.com/PilotOnline.com)

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I wish PETA wasn't so damn gay, cause they have good ideals, they just go crazy over dumb things some times.
I'd love to start a less abrasive group for the ethical treatment of animals without being a tree hugger, and someone that thinks that they shouldn't eat cows.
I'm with you on PETA, I hate being on the same side as them because they are wackos and more of a political fringe group than a group that really cares for animals.

There is a group that already exists that is more mainstream and truly focus on animal well-being without being nut-jobs...The Humane Society of the U.S. They are heavily involved in the Vick issue, lobbying the NFL and Arthur Blank, (Falcons & Home Depot owner) to have Vick suspended.

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its not just the war buddy, its the way we treat dogs as equal and sometimes better than humans!! it sickens me how we get up in arms when something like this happens, but what about darfur? hell what about the homeless and less fortunate living here in america!?!? we put dogs in $500 spas, buy $200 dollar outfits etc. i just wish i could ship some of these peta people across the ocean to see what life is really like for most of world....and i have 3 dogs so its not about me hating dogs at all........
.....and after what the CIA did to the black panthers, how can i believe anything those scumbags say (sorry if there is grammer or spelling errors Mr. PSUSKINSFAN21, i'm on summer break and i could give a rats ass for a spelling check, just like most of the other people on this site from what i read) this AIN'T english 101.....like the AIN'T
I still don't think you get it. It seems like you're trying to antagonize for the sake of antagonizing.

I mean, it's like when the Redskins lose a game and everyone gets pissed we all know that grand scheme it's not a big deal when people are dying senselessly every day. But it's not relevant to the immediate discussion of the Redskins. To the immediate discussion of Vick and his alleged mistreatment of dogs and his future in the league, the AIDS epidemic in South Africa (as an example) doesn't really seem to fit.

And I still don't know what the CIA has to do with all this

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What's the over/under for how long before we hear the conviction and follo-up sentencing? I say 18 months before conviction/sentencing.
I'll take the Under. I heard on Mike & Mike this morning that the Federal Court in Richmond, VA moves its caseload faster than any other Fed Court in the U.S. Greenberg mentioned he spoke with an attorney familiar with the Federal system and estimated the trial starting in Oct. / Nov. 2007.

This link is from the Virginian Pilot, today. Vick and his cohorts have their bond hearing and arraignment on July 26th.

ARTICLE: First court date set for Michael Vick in dogfighting case (The Virginian-Pilot - HamptonRoads.com/PilotOnline.com)
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its not just the war buddy, its the way we treat dogs as equal and sometimes better than humans!!
What makes one life more important than another?
For Instance, does someone that is severely mentally retarded not deserve the same rights as someone who is "normal"? You may argue that "well he's human, so yes". While I would agree yes is the answer, but what makes the life of a dog any less important than a human? Is it the brain function? Or are you just more interested in the specific race? Cause there are plenty of dogs that are more intelligent than humans.
While I do not treat my Basset Hounds better than myself, they are definitely like my children, and I love them as such, and give them a great life. I do not feel this is wrong in any way, nor should I apologize for it.

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it sickens me how we get up in arms when something like this happens, but what about darfur? hell what about the homeless and less fortunate living here in america!?!?
Well those are valid issues, however if you look at the title of this thread, this thread is about how Vick treated his dogs. As such, you should expect to hear about animal cruelty and people for or against it. This is not a post about homelessness...feel free to start a thread in the parking lot to discuss these issues and I'm sure many of us here will be right there to discuss it with you.

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we put dogs in $500 spas, buy $200 dollar outfits etc.
While I do not do this, I do not get upset at people who do. It's their money and can use it in any manner they wish. Not that I am judging, but if they spent $700 on a dog, well, that's better than going to Vegas and giving it away on the black jack table. Not that I'm against gambling either...hell I love roulette.

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i just wish i could ship some of these peta people across the ocean to see what life is really like for most of world
As I am sure they would love to ship you somewhere where you're not allowed to speak your mind, but oddly enough, we live in America and people are free here.

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.....and after what the CIA did to the black panthers, how can i believe anything those scumbags say (sorry if there is grammer or spelling errors Mr. PSUSKINSFAN21, i'm on summer break and i could give a rats ass for a spelling check, just like most of the other people on this site from what i read) this AIN'T english 101.....
Start a thread on what they did. I'd like to hear it, cause as far as my limited knowledge goes on the black panthers, they were not a great group of people. Maybe you could teach us a thing or two.

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its not just the war buddy, its the way we treat dogs as equal and sometimes better than humans!! it sickens me how we get up in arms when something like this happens, but what about darfur? hell what about the homeless and less fortunate living here in america!?!? we put dogs in $500 spas, buy $200 dollar outfits etc. i just wish i could ship some of these peta people across the ocean to see what life is really like for most of world....and i have 3 dogs so its not about me hating dogs at all........
.....and after what the CIA did to the black panthers, how can i believe anything those scumbags say (sorry if there is grammer or spelling errors Mr. PSUSKINSFAN21, i'm on summer break and i could give a rats ass for a spelling check, just like most of the other people on this site from what i read) this AIN'T english 101.....like the AIN'T
So at any point do you plan on offering a single piece of intelligent discussion on anything football related? Just curious.

And somehow I doubt whether your being on summer break has any bearing on your abilities to spell properly or use proper grammar. Of course, if you are still on this site when your Junior High starts back up again (and you probably won't be), I guess you'll have the chance to prove me wrong.


And well done jsarno.
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What makes one life more important than another?
For Instance, does someone that is severely mentally retarded not deserve the same rights as someone who is "normal"? You may argue that "well he's human, so yes". While I would agree yes is the answer, but what makes the life of a dog any less important than a human? Is it the brain function? Or are you just more interested in the specific race? Cause there are plenty of dogs that are more intelligent than humans.
While I do not treat my Basset Hounds better than myself, they are definitely like my children, and I love them as such, and give them a great life. I do not feel this is wrong in any way, nor should I apologize for it.



Well those are valid issues, however if you look at the title of this thread, this thread is about how Vick treated his dogs. As such, you should expect to hear about animal cruelty and people for or against it. This is not a post about homelessness...feel free to start a thread in the parking lot to discuss these issues and I'm sure many of us here will be right there to discuss it with you.



While I do not do this, I do not get upset at people who do. It's their money and can use it in any manner they wish. Not that I am judging, but if they spent $700 on a dog, well, that's better than going to Vegas and giving it away on the black jack table. Not that I'm against gambling either...hell I love roulette.



As I am sure they would love to ship you somewhere where you're not allowed to speak your mind, but oddly enough, we live in America and people are free here.



Start a thread on what they did. I'd like to hear it, cause as far as my limited knowledge goes on the black panthers, they were not a great group of people. Maybe you could teach us a thing or two.



the word "ain't", is actually a legitamate english word. It's now in dictionaries.
sorry bro, i lost you after your "but what makes the life of a dog any less important than a human?" are you serious?? LMFAO...i don't know..... maybe common sense. and i love my dog as much as my kid, and if someone had a gun to my kid's and dog's head and said pick....guess what, i'm buying a new dog. i've lived in three different continents in my short life(trying to make it 4 by next year) so trust me, i've been to the places of the world your talking about and even though people might not be as free there or might not have the same access to education as we do here.....they do know there is a difference between dogs and humans, one life does mean more than the other buddy, i.e you eat meat? if not you eat veggies right? they both are living things right? so how can you say dogs are in the same level as humans when we kill cows for meat and plants for veggies?!?! and "ain't" made the dictionaries? you see you learn something new everyday bro


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sorry bro, i lost you after your "but what makes the life of a dog any less important than a human?" are you serious?? LMFAO...i don't know..... maybe common sense. and i love my dog as much as my kid, and if someone had a gun to my kid's and dog's head and said pick....guess what, i'm buying a new dog. i've lived in three different continents in my short life(trying to make it 4 by next year) so trust me, i've been to the places of the world your talking about and even though people might not be as free there or might not have the same access to education as we do here.....they do know there is a difference between dogs and humans, one life does mean more than the other buddy, i.e you eat meat? if not you eat veggies right? they both are living things right? so how can you say dogs are in the same level as humans when we kill cows for meat and plants for veggies?!?! and "ain't" made the dictionaries? you see you learn something new everyday bro


and i'm not about to tell you how wrong you are about the black panthers.....if you really care (which i don't think you do) you can google them its all love though....at least your a skins fan!!

I dont know why I find that line funny.
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sorry bro, i lost you after your "but what makes the life of a dog any less important than a human?" are you serious?? LMFAO...i don't know..... maybe common sense. and i love my dog as much as my kid, and if someone had a gun to my kid's and dog's head and said pick....guess what, i'm buying a new dog. i've lived in three different continents in my short life(trying to make it 4 by next year) so trust me, i've been to the places of the world your talking about and even though people might not be as free there or might not have the same access to education as we do here.....they do know there is a difference between dogs and humans, one life does mean more than the other buddy, i.e you eat meat? if not you eat veggies right? they both are living things right? so how can you say dogs are in the same level as humans when we kill cows for meat and plants for veggies?!?! and "ain't" made the dictionaries? you see you learn something new everyday bro


and i'm not about to tell you how wrong you are about the black panthers.....if you really care (which i don't think you do) you can google them its all love though....at least your a skins fan!!
How old are you?
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25 years young buddy.....for me thats a midlife crisis seeing how no guys in my family live past 50 ......so the damn skins better do something in these next 25 years of my life, hopefully 10 superbowls and 10 league titles from liverpool fc(i know off subject) and i can die a happy man
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