How Many Games Should Vick Be Suspended?

PSUSkinsFan21 · 07-20-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

You, me, and the rest of the world not withstanding Vick's claim is that he had no knowledge (total BS IMO) and he has a right to due process. He has a right to have is case heard before any harmful action is taken against him by the league.

Honest question, Saden: were you against the Pacman suspension too?

GhettoDogAllStars · 07-20-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

You, me, and the rest of the world not withstanding Vick's claim is that he had no knowledge (total BS IMO) and he has a right to due process. He has a right to have is case heard before any harmful action is taken against him by the league.

This whole matter is pretty self explanatory to me. I don't get why people want him to be suspended ASAP without first getting to the heart of the claim and his defense.

p.s. Even when cops are accused of wrong doing they are first suspended with pay. The same rules that apply to everyone else should apply to Vick as well is all I'm saying.

You are right. I don't see much harm in waiting. However, he has already done damage to the league, and that is enough justification to suspend him, IMO. I know you might want to say, "we can't conclude that he has personally done damage, until he is proven guilty. The damage came from the accusations." However, it is very rare that innocent and upstanding citizens have false accusations made about them -- by the FBI -- especially when there is physical evidence.

ArtMonkDrillz · 07-20-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

You, me, and the rest of the world not withstanding Vick's claim is that he had no knowledge (total BS IMO) and he has a right to due process. He has a right to have is case heard before any harmful action is taken against him by the league.

This whole matter is pretty self explanatory to me. I don't get why people want him to be suspended ASAP without first getting to the heart of the claim and his defense.

p.s. Even when cops are accused of wrong doing they are first suspended with pay. The same rules that apply to everyone else should apply to Vick as well is all I'm saying.

So if Vick was to show up on the next episode of To Catch A Predator do you think the NFL should have to await until after his trail to suspend him?

There was enough evidence against him that he was indited and he's brought so much negative attention to himself, the Falcons, and the entire league that I can't believe neither his team nor the league has suspended him yet.

DEVIL'S OWN · 07-20-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Knowing what you know so far of the Vick case, and considering recent conduct decisions made on the likes of Pacman, Tank, and Chris Henry, if a decision had to be made today what would you do?

We dont know anything, can yall at least wait until the trial over with, before you convict him. If he did do it, well, he's buried his career and life, but if he hasn't then, let the case play out......... I've seen people on here say they hate Vick, thats a strong word, I can't see anyone hating a man that much unless its for reason, not concerning, football.

DEVIL'S OWN · 07-20-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

So if Vick was to show up on the next episode of To Catch A Predator do you think the NFL should have to await until after his trail to suspend him?

There was enough evidence against him that he was indited and he's brought so much negative attention to himself, the Falcons, and the entire league that I can't believe neither his team nor the league has suspended him yet.

The Inditement means that some has said of can confirm that he had knowledge of this, but who's to say, that someone is crediable witness, and If Vick showed up on to catch a predator, we wouldn't be having this discussion.........Would we?

jsarno · 07-20-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DEVIL'S OWN

We dont know anything, can yall at least wait until the trial over with, before you convict him. If he did do it, well, he's buried his career and life, but if he hasn't then, let the case play out......... I've seen people on here say they hate Vick, thats a strong word, I can't see anyone hating a man that much unless its for reason, not concerning, football.

While I would like to agree with you, the evidence is just too overwhelming for an educated person to dismiss.
I understand he's "innocent until proven guilty", but that only applies to a court of law. From all the evidence that has been presented, he's guilty.

saden1 · 07-20-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Honest question, Saden: were you against the Pacman suspension too?

Vick is no Pacman. Pacman was a habitual offender and was constantly in trouble with the law. The league rightly suspended him because he was warned numerous times regarding his conduct. I wholeheartedly supported Pacman's suspension and from the way things turned out the NFL had legal rights to do what they did.

saden1 · 07-20-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

So if Vick was to show up on the next episode of To Catch A Predator do you think the NFL should have to await until after his trail to suspend him?

Are you being facetious or serious with such a question/analogy? If you already don't know the answer...guilt is pretty clear in that instance.

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

There was enough evidence against him that he was indited and he's brought so much negative attention to himself, the Falcons, and the entire league that I can't believe neither his team nor the league has suspended him yet.

The league can't do anything because the allegations are just that, allegations. It needs proof that he knew of everything that went on in that house. That's how the world works. No one really cares about Vick's side of things and the defensive evidence he might present to prove his innocent. Everyone has already judged him guilty. It pains me to think we are no longer a society that believes in "innocent until proven guilty."

What the league is trying to do right now (ask him to take time off) is the right thing to do and the only legal recourse they have.

DEVIL'S OWN · 07-20-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

While I would like to agree with you, the evidence is just too overwhelming for an educated person to dismiss.
I understand he's "innocent until proven guilty", but that only applies to a court of law. From all the evidence that has been presented, he's guilty.

I hear you, but I want to see what happens first, and I keep seeing the word "HATE" on here, hate is a racist word, which really mean's in some way the person who hate's feel's inferior to the other, wow, even on this site, I can't believe the power's to be, would let that kind of stuff go on, (way to step up), you can hate a team, for having a different logo, but a man, for being indited on a charge, even if he did do it, his ass is out of the league and he qualify for stupid. IF he's not guilty and just being drug in because some other's are trying to plea out............then I want to see guilty on M. Vick and then I'll say good by to his dumb ass, but.........I'm try leave the racist word's like "HATE" out!!!!!!!!!!!

DEVIL'S OWN · 07-20-2007, 04:47 PM

Benoit, murdered his family.........and it was just a "tragacy" I don't cant remember in any hate going on............... I can see the difference now, kill a dog.........your the low life of all, kill your family and get the sympathy tag..........(lol)

dallass-blows 2 · 07-20-2007, 04:51 PM

"sack #7"

"no excuse for animal abuse"

god i hate peta, i heard an interesting story on TV on that new show FIRST TAKE that Peta had a member of it's Hirearchy killing dogs and dumping them in dumpsters, yet they supported him the whole way until he was aquited of all charges. very interesting

bunch of hypocrites

RobH4413 · 07-20-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DEVIL'S OWN

I hear you, but I want to see what happens first, and I keep seeing the word "HATE" on here, hate is a racist word, which really mean's in some way the person who hate's feel's inferior to the other, wow, even on this site, I can't believe the power's to be, would let that kind of stuff go on, (way to step up), you can hate a team, for having a different logo, but a man, for being indited on a charge, even if he did do it, his ass is out of the league and he qualify for stupid. IF he's not guilty and just being drug in because some other's are trying to plea out............then I want to see guilty on M. Vick and then I'll say good by to his dumb ass, but.........I'm try leave the racist word's like "HATE" out!!!!!!!!!!!

hate - "The emotion of hate; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action"

racism - "The belief that one 'racial group' is inferior to another and the practices of the dominant group to maintain the inferior position of the dominated group. Often defined as a combination of power, prejudice and discrimination."

I think your confused

Daseal · 07-20-2007, 05:51 PM

Everyone keeps saying wait till all the facts, wait for the trial, etc etc. I would agree with that but the player policy in place is grey and doesn't require that. I just don't find it fair that you can suspend pacman who hasn't been convicted of a damn thing (and there's a far better chance he gets off completely than Vick) yet wait for Vick to finish his trial. Goodell HAS to suspend him at this point. Not yet, wait till NFL security finishes their analysis then go off that. Even if he gives him a year that is easily defendable.

Devils Own: Benoit and Michael Vick. Bad comparison. Benoit himself got absolutely zero sympathy. He was a ****ing monster and should enjoy his spot in hell. There was sympathy for his wife and son, not for him.

Saden, the league CAN do whatever they want with the new player policy if they give the league a black eye. I wonder who has a higher percentage of wins, the DA in Las Vegas or the feds. The feds have a 95% conviction rate.

81forHOF · 07-20-2007, 05:51 PM

If Vick participated in or knew of any of these allegations he should be banished from the NFL for life. Period.

ArtMonkDrillz · 07-20-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Are you being facetious or serious with such a question/analogy? If you already don't know the answer...guilt is pretty clear in that instance.

The league can't do anything because the allegations are just that, allegations. It needs proof that he knew of everything that went on in that house. That's how the world works. No one really cares about Vick's side of things and the defensive evidence he might present to prove his innocent. Everyone has already judged him guilty. It pains me to think we are no longer a society that believes in "innocent until proven guilty."

What the league is trying to do right now (ask him to take time off) is the right thing to do and the only legal recourse they have.

So all of the people on TCAP are guilty even though they've yet to go on trail?

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DEVIL'S OWN No new threads for you Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: On the boder line of hard times Posts: 186	Re: How Many Games Should Vick Be Suspended? Benoit, murdered his family.........and it was just a "tragacy" I don't cant remember in any hate going on............... I can see the difference now, kill a dog.........your the low life of all, kill your family and get the sympathy tag..........(lol) __________________ IN MADDEN 08 IM THE MASTER AND THE RULER OF THE WORLD

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dallass-blows 2 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 67	Re: How Many Games Should Vick Be Suspended? "sack #7" "no excuse for animal abuse" god i hate peta, i heard an interesting story on TV on that new show FIRST TAKE that Peta had a member of it's Hirearchy killing dogs and dumping them in dumpsters, yet they supported him the whole way until he was aquited of all charges. very interesting bunch of hypocrites __________________ "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson

07-20-2007, 05:51 PM	#163
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,057	Re: How Many Games Should Vick Be Suspended? Everyone keeps saying wait till all the facts, wait for the trial, etc etc. I would agree with that but the player policy in place is grey and doesn't require that. I just don't find it fair that you can suspend pacman who hasn't been convicted of a damn thing (and there's a far better chance he gets off completely than Vick) yet wait for Vick to finish his trial. Goodell HAS to suspend him at this point. Not yet, wait till NFL security finishes their analysis then go off that. Even if he gives him a year that is easily defendable. Devils Own: Benoit and Michael Vick. Bad comparison. Benoit himself got absolutely zero sympathy. He was a **ing monster and should enjoy his spot in hell. There was sympathy for his wife and son, not for him. Saden, the league CAN do whatever they want with the new player policy if they give the league a black eye. I wonder who has a higher percentage of wins, the DA in Las Vegas or the feds. The feds have a 95% conviction rate. __________________ Best. Player. Available.**

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81forHOF Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mt Holly Springs, PA Age: 40 Posts: 518	Re: How Many Games Should Vick Be Suspended? If Vick participated in or knew of any of these allegations he should be banished from the NFL for life. Period. __________________ 81 is where he belongs!

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