ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot

chrisl13 · 08-01-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Based on how last year ended ARE should be listed ahead of Lloyd. Lloyd has a lot to prove right now.

You really cant base anything on last year since it was so sad and pityful. Khary Campbell coulda ended the season at #2 WR

bigSkinsfan61 · 08-01-2007, 11:40 AM

i believe this in my heart of hearts. lloyd must and will step up this season and be a threat . his career depend on it really if u think about it. who else is going to take a chance on a overpaid , underachieving head case wide out after 2 teams get the same results. he has to see this if only for his own good....

Lady Brave · 08-01-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I usually side with the majority opinion but it looks I'm in the minority when it comes to Lloyd. I like him a lot. I love the fiery, cocky attitude. I think he uses it to motivate him to make plays. Lloyd follows in the mold of Gary Clark. Not everyone can be like Art Monk. In fact, as far as receivers and ego...um...go, Monk seems to have been an aberration. As long as he stays out of trouble with the law, I will root for him to compete with Santanna for the #1 role.

I also think it's kind of silly to say "Lloyd's not a #2" due to to last year's performance when everyone's performance last year was subpar. With that line of thinking we don't any first stringers.

The only problem I have with this comparison is that Clark actually had the goods to back up the attitude. Lloyd, not so much.

Mattyk · 08-01-2007, 11:48 AM

LLoyd's numbers were pathetic last year (all-time record low for a #2 WR) and went far beyond the collective struggles of the offense. We still had guys that produced offensively, and along with his lack of production his attitude problems were probably a bigger concern.

Mattyk · 08-01-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady Brave

The only problem I have with this comparison is that Clark actually had the goods to back up the attitude. Lloyd, not so much.

Yeah there's really no comparing the two. Clark was a gamer that gave it all on the field. Lloyd so far has been a punk that hasn't shown us anything on the field.

jsarno · 08-01-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah there's really no comparing the two. Clark was a gamer that gave it all on the field. Lloyd so far has been a punk that hasn't shown us anything on the field.

absolutely agree with this assessment.
Clark was one of the all time best Skins wr's, it's a slap in his face to be compared to Lloyd.

For as much as I think Lloyd will come around, I don't think anyone quite understands that in order to produce, you have to have a viable QB to throw it to you. It wasn't all Lloyds fault.

SC Skins Fan · 08-01-2007, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't think much of Brandon Lloyd's character. He thinks way too highly of himself and consequently thinks he can get by on the talent he was given.

10 pounds or not, the guy's a bum because you can't count on him. Every now and then he'll show up to make a big play, but he's so inconsistent that he's sure to let you down when you really need him to come through.

This is a timing offense, and the fact that Lloyd didn't take the time to get with JC in the offseason to get the timing down speaks volumes to me. JC is going to favor Moss and ARE, as well as Cooley because of the rapport.

You are right and the Redskins knew that (or should have) before the acquired him. I can remember Tim Ryan on NFL Radio bashing Lloyd even before the Redskins looked into acquiring him. He said he did an interview with Llyod about an upcoming opponent in preparation for Ryan's broadcasting gig. He asked Lloyd how he planned to attack the secondary, what he had seen on tape, etc. and B. Lloyd told him he didn't watch tape and that he would just smoke the guy a couple of times and the CB would be in his pocket.

724Skinsfan · 08-01-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Brave

The only problem I have with this comparison is that Clark actually had the goods to back up the attitude. Lloyd, not so much.

Without a doubt Gary Clark's receiving ability has shown to be superior to Lloyd's but there's not a lot of dissimiliarity in attitude. Something that easy to overlook when your catching 75+ 1200+ yards and 8+ TDs every year. Don't get me wrong. I love Gary Clark. He's basically a local legend down in these parts (SW VA).

Schneed10 · 08-01-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

If your going to start a thread about a player at least get the facts right. Lloyd is listed as the #3 WR only because that is how they finished the season last year and has nothing to do with their play in camps. I heard this twice over the past 2 days and one of the sources was Gibbs. On the Riggo show yesterday the reporter they had at camp said he did not know if it was just him but Lloyd look much faster than he did last year and he was impressed with hi play. Lets give the guy a break and the opportunity to prove that he can get the job done. Our O and D all looked bad last year and the only player that really stood out was Betts.

See here's the thing though. It's great that Lloyd has more muscle and looks fast and all that crap. But the thing that matters most in Saunders' offense is TIMING. The WR needs to be at a certain spot by a certain time, because the QB is going to throw it there whether the WR is there or not. This requires very precise route-running on the part of the WRs. Speed and size are great, but if Lloyd isn't practicing with Campbell, then how can Campbell trust Lloyd to be where he needs to be? Lloyd failed to connect with Campbell in the offseason at all; meanwhile Moss and ARE got time in with JC.

I question Brandon Lloyd's work ethic and his attention to detail. He's a straight up burner, and just wants to use his speed. So far in his career, he has shown no interest in improving on the nuances of route-running.

I'll be very surprised if he has a good season. I think he's a total bum.

firstdown · 08-01-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't think much of Brandon Lloyd's character. He thinks way too highly of himself and consequently thinks he can get by on the talent he was given.

10 pounds or not, the guy's a bum because you can't count on him. Every now and then he'll show up to make a big play, but he's so inconsistent that he's sure to let you down when you really need him to come through.

This is a timing offense, and the fact that Lloyd didn't take the time to get with JC in the offseason to get the timing down speaks volumes to me. JC is going to favor Moss and ARE, as well as Cooley because of the rapport.

Do you have a source that says that he did not work out with JC in the off season and that the others did. I remember that Lloyd was in a QB competion with JC and that would not make much sense if JC was working out with other WR this year.

Schneed10 · 08-01-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Do you have a source that says that he did not work out with JC in the off season and that the others did. I remember that Lloyd was in a QB competion with JC and that would not make much sense if JC was working out with other WR this year.

I'll have to dig it up; I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in JLC's blog.

Ferrari · 08-01-2007, 12:43 PM

In my outlook, I would like to see our #3 receiver have solid stats as well. So if Lloyd is a #3 I just want to see him put up Brandon Stokley numbers.

firstdown · 08-01-2007, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'll have to dig it up; I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in JLC's blog.

Please do because I do not remember any thing saying that him and Lloyd did not work out any the even perticipated in a QB/WR competition together thi off season.

724Skinsfan · 08-01-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Please do because I do not remember any thing saying that him and Lloyd did not work out any the even perticipated in a QB/WR competition together thi off season.

I believe you're right, firstdown. I don't think Campbell was able to work out with any of the receivers during the off-season, not just Lloyd. I'm npt including OTA's, of course.

firstdown · 08-01-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I believe you're right, firstdown. I don't think Campbell was able to work out with any of the receivers during the off-season, not just Lloyd. I'm npt including OTA's, of course.

Thats what I remember but several here are bashing him for something that he may or may not of had any control. Yes, he did have a bad year but dang Moss's number where down by about half from the prior year. We do know that Lloyd spent the off season working hard to get into shape so why not wait until the season to see if he is ready to get thing going. I do think that thrash should see more time on the field because it just seems that he makes the plays when we need them.

08-01-2007, 11:40 AM	#32
bigSkinsfan61 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: richmond va Age: 51 Posts: 250	Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot i believe this in my heart of hearts. lloyd must and will step up this season and be a threat . his career depend on it really if u think about it. who else is going to take a chance on a overpaid , underachieving head case wide out after 2 teams get the same results. he has to see this if only for his own good.... __________________ I will choose freewill. alex, geddy, and neil permanent waves 1980"www.rush.com

08-01-2007, 11:48 AM	#34
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,751	Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot LLoyd's numbers were pathetic last year (all-time record low for a #2 WR) and went far beyond the collective struggles of the offense. We still had guys that produced offensively, and along with his lack of production his attitude problems were probably a bigger concern. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-01-2007, 12:43 PM	#42
Ferrari Camp Scrub Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 43	Re: ARE vs. Lloyd for the number 2 WR spot In my outlook, I would like to see our #3 receiver have solid stats as well. So if Lloyd is a #3 I just want to see him put up Brandon Stokley numbers.

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