Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?

Paintrain · 08-04-2007, 01:29 AM

This notion of he's a Top 10 talent is ridiculous. He was drafted 22nd overall and should be paid accordingly. Cleveland is somewhat over the barrel because they can't just say 'screw you, here's our offer, call us when you're ready to accept' because they gave up next year's #1 and the fans would crucify them if they did that for nothing.

That being said, if you think you are that talented, think you are that much of a stud, think you are 'that guy' then load that contract with incentives, play to your talent, cash in and either re-sign for the long haul or bounce out at the end of your deal.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 08-04-2007, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Why is it that people think ill of someone for trying to get the maximum they possibly can? Unless you are foolish, I bet every single person in here would be making the same business decision Quinn is making. If the Browns don't want to pay him what he is asking for they should let him sit the **** out.

I subscribe to Business 101...get paid the most amount of money doing the least amount of work.

I agree 100% with your description of Business 101 when it comes to 99.9999% of the population. I don't think, however, that Quinn, as an NFL QB, is being particularly smart about the matter. As an NFL rookie who will likely be asked to step in and start a few games this season at the game's most demanding position, he probably should get into camp as fast as possible. I can understand wanting to get paid like a star now, but I just question whether his desire for a great rookie contract is going to affect his on-field performance, development, etc. and eventually cost him $ when his rookie deal expires.

SmootSmack · 08-04-2007, 01:37 AM

I think the main issue, as I understand it, is what kind of money Quinn would be getting two or three years down the road when he is (most likely) the starter.

But you'd think they'd just deal with that when the time comes

FRPLG · 08-04-2007, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't see Quinn's point of view in even the slightest bit. If he was a "top QB prospect", then somebody would have taken him higher. The fact that 21 teams passed on him means exactly this: there are 21 players deemed to be worth more to their teams.

He should shut up and get paid like the 22nd pick.

Easy for me to say, because it's millions of dollars at stake. But you can't deny the logic.

I'm with you. He should get paid for where he was drafted. That's how it works. If I was Cle I would let him sit the whole year. Release the contract that was offered. Show that it is right bewteen the 21 and 23 picks and then let him be the total douche. This is stupid.

sandman89 · 08-04-2007, 02:10 AM

Dam that sukz

GTripp0012 · 08-04-2007, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm pretty sure the Redskins traded a first round pick (among other things) to move up and draft Campbell

Yeah, totally slipped my mind.

Even still, the price on Quinn was still significantly higher than the price on JC, trading up from the 2nd round as opposed to swapping a pick from one year to the next. And I also think that the fact that the Browns traded up specifically to get Quinn whereas the Skins wanted to target a QB at 25 (and made the trade 3 weeks prior to the draft) definately seperates the value even further.

Still, I'm shocked that Campbell's deal wasn't leaps and bounds better than Rodgers'.

GTripp0012 · 08-04-2007, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Crat92

Quinn is being stupid. I mean come on..........it is what it is! 22nd pick, 22nd money. Plain and simple. The browns wouldn't have this problem if they would have drafted Troy Smith!

But then they would have a QB that isn't really a NFL prospect instead of a potential franchise cornerstone. That's a lot worse.

mooby · 08-04-2007, 02:48 AM

Honestly I wish all rookie contracts earned low pay but had a lot of potential escalators and performance bonuses in them. That way if they light things up and reached a certain level they would trigger those bonuses, and if they sat on the bench for a couple seasons or so they would get paid accordingly. These contracts are only going to start getting richer and richer because the veterans aren't going to like the rookies getting more money than them.

GTripp0012 · 08-04-2007, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the main issue, as I understand it, is what kind of money Quinn would be getting two or three years down the road when he is (most likely) the starter.

But you'd think they'd just deal with that when the time comes

But isn't that what the impasse is all about. It would be a mutiny if Quinn signs a deal today that is less than market value and gets into camp, only to bitch about his deal in 2009. That's why the rookie deal is so important. He not only has to get a fair amount of bonus money, but he has to be well compensated for the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons.

All the players in the draft are trying to accomplish this also, but not every player got a team to mortage a future draft for them. Not since...Rocky McIntosh has this last happened.

sandman89 · 08-04-2007, 02:56 AM

Quinn better be worth it

Schneed10 · 08-04-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Still, I'm shocked that Campbell's deal wasn't leaps and bounds better than Rodgers'.

It's simple. It doesn't matter whether someone moved up to get you or not. Look at history. Campbell didn't get a better deal than Rodgers because Rodgers got picked one spot before him.

skinsfan69 · 08-04-2007, 11:38 AM

The Browns hold all the cards here. NFL Network reported that Quinn did not look very good in the OTA's and minincamps. They said that Derek Anderson was the best QB out of the three. So chances are Quinn isn't even going to start, even if he gets to camp on time.

Since he was picked so late in the 1st round he has no leverage. Get your ass in camp or shut up.

SantanaMan · 08-04-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, totally slipped my mind.

Even still, the price on Quinn was still significantly higher than the price on JC, trading up from the 2nd round as opposed to swapping a pick from one year to the next. And I also think that the fact that the Browns traded up specifically to get Quinn whereas the Skins wanted to target a QB at 25 (and made the trade 3 weeks prior to the draft) definately seperates the value even further.

Still, I'm shocked that Campbell's deal wasn't leaps and bounds better than Rodgers'.

The Skins didn't just swap a pick from one year to the next, we gave up that years 3rd and the following years 1st and 4th.

pdid5000 · 08-04-2007, 09:33 PM

he probably will be the next tim couch, so he needs all the guaranteed money he can get.

skinsfan_nn · 08-04-2007, 10:16 PM

It's pretty simple, the kid was a #22 drafted QB overall in the 1st round. That's it. He should be paid accordingly to that pick and length of contract, no more or less.

If he think's in his own mind he should have gone top 10 and recieve that type cash, well then reality set's in, he didn't.

If he doesn't like the deal and where he was picked in the draft TUFF SHIT, he's gonna end up ridding the pine. The best thing the kid can do for himself is sign a fair deal for his #22 late round draft spot and get to work.

08-04-2007, 01:29 AM	#31
Paintrain Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 42 Posts: 4,529	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? This notion of he's a Top 10 talent is ridiculous. He was drafted 22nd overall and should be paid accordingly. Cleveland is somewhat over the barrel because they can't just say 'screw you, here's our offer, call us when you're ready to accept' because they gave up next year's #1 and the fans would crucify them if they did that for nothing. That being said, if you think you are that talented, think you are that much of a stud, think you are 'that guy' then load that contract with incentives, play to your talent, cash in and either re-sign for the long haul or bounce out at the end of your deal. __________________ No Pressure-No Diamonds! Go Catch Your Dreams!

08-04-2007, 01:37 AM	#33
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? I think the main issue, as I understand it, is what kind of money Quinn would be getting two or three years down the road when he is (most likely) the starter. But you'd think they'd just deal with that when the time comes __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-04-2007, 02:10 AM	#35
sandman89 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 137	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? Dam that sukz __________________ http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...ton02GFX/s.png

08-04-2007, 02:48 AM	#38
mooby MVP Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NoVa Age: 24 Posts: 11,179	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? Honestly I wish all rookie contracts earned low pay but had a lot of potential escalators and performance bonuses in them. That way if they light things up and reached a certain level they would trigger those bonuses, and if they sat on the bench for a couple seasons or so they would get paid accordingly. These contracts are only going to start getting richer and richer because the veterans aren't going to like the rookies getting more money than them.

08-04-2007, 02:56 AM	#40
sandman89 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 137	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? Quinn better be worth it __________________ http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...ton02GFX/s.png

08-04-2007, 11:38 AM	#42
skinsfan69 Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 8,105	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? The Browns hold all the cards here. NFL Network reported that Quinn did not look very good in the OTA's and minincamps. They said that Derek Anderson was the best QB out of the three. So chances are Quinn isn't even going to start, even if he gets to camp on time. Since he was picked so late in the 1st round he has no leverage. Get your ass in camp or shut up.

08-04-2007, 09:33 PM	#44
pdid5000 No new threads for you Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: north dakota Posts: 121	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? he probably will be the next tim couch, so he needs all the guaranteed money he can get.

08-04-2007, 10:16 PM	#45
skinsfan_nn Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Newport News,Virginia Age: 48 Posts: 4,495	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? It's pretty simple, the kid was a #22 drafted QB overall in the 1st round. That's it. He should be paid accordingly to that pick and length of contract, no more or less. If he think's in his own mind he should have gone top 10 and recieve that type cash, well then reality set's in, he didn't. If he doesn't like the deal and where he was picked in the draft TUFF SHIT, he's gonna end up ridding the pine. The best thing the kid can do for himself is sign a fair deal for his #22 late round draft spot and get to work. __________________ "There's no greater feeling than moving a man from Point A to Point B, against his will." #68 THANKS COACH GIBBS FOR EVERYTHING! YOUR THE MAN AND ALWAYS WILL BE!

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