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Old 08-06-2007, 11:02 PM   #91
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That actually may have been one of your best posts ever. I think you hit on one of the biggest "knocks" on Quinn; that Quinn is as good now as he's going to get.
All I'm going to say is that no one who knows anything thinks that knock is realistic. All QBs improve from day one in the NFL. Quinn will be no different.

Some legit knocks on Quinn:
  • Accuracy Issues
  • Only completed 58% for career at ND--much lower than you would think
  • Gets more inaccurate when the pressure comes (although every QB suffers from this)
But people who honestly think (and I really doubt offiss believes this...hes simply been around football too long), that Quinn will not ever get better in the NFL..I mean, wow, that would pretty much get you laughed out of any room.
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. All QBs improve from day one in the NFL. Quinn will be no different.
What are you talking about?
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:10 PM   #93
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What are you talking about?
Name one QB who didn't get better from the day he entered the NFL and had his first practice?

Doesn't happen. All 22 old QBs improve. Every one of them in history. No matter how bad they were.

Offiss' accuation of Quinn is that hes as good as he will get...and thats simply ridiculous.
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:21 PM   #94
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What are you talking about?
Unrelated question for you Wilso:

If you're low expectations for Quinn aren't based on irrational hate, then what exactly are they based on? Care to clue me in? I'm almost scared to ask.

Does this have something to do with Tom Brady winning that super bowl last ye...oh...oh wait, that never happened.
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All I'm going to say is that no one who knows anything thinks that knock is realistic. All QBs improve from day one in the NFL. Quinn will be no different.

Some legit knocks on Quinn:
  • Accuracy Issues
  • Only completed 58% for career at ND--much lower than you would think
  • Gets more inaccurate when the pressure comes (although every QB suffers from this)
But people who honestly think (and I really doubt offiss believes this...hes simply been around football too long), that Quinn will not ever get better in the NFL..I mean, wow, that would pretty much get you laughed out of any room.
That is a misleading stat about his 58%.
The last 2 years he averaged 63.4% comp. which is VERY good.
I think he has the mechanics, and the coaching to be very good. He will ressurect the Browns. (assuming they can get a contract going)
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:29 PM   #96
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That is a misleading stat about his 58%.
The last 2 years he averaged 63.4% comp. which is VERY good.
I think he has the mechanics, and the coaching to be very good. He will ressurect the Browns. (assuming they can get a contract going)
Career completion percentage is a good indicator of NFL success, but not the paramount one. Generally, jsarno, thats how college QB's progress. If they start 4 years, like Quinn, the completion percentage tends to increase steadily from year to year until it reaches the highest possible point for the QB of that particular college team. For Quinn, this happened to be in the 62-64% range.

You can't really just throw out those first two years; they were part of his progression as a player. Take out all other variables for a sec and just look at Quinn's numbers in a vaccuum, and it all makes total sense. Then you can put varibles like coaching back in and be like, "maybe Weis didn't have such a big effect on Quinn after all."
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All I'm going to say is that no one who knows anything thinks that knock is realistic. All QBs improve from day one in the NFL. Quinn will be no different.

Some legit knocks on Quinn:
  • Accuracy Issues
  • Only completed 58% for career at ND--much lower than you would think
  • Gets more inaccurate when the pressure comes (although every QB suffers from this)
But people who honestly think (and I really doubt offiss believes this...hes simply been around football too long), that Quinn will not ever get better in the NFL..I mean, wow, that would pretty much get you laughed out of any room.
Well...Andre Ware, Danny Wuerffel, some would even say David Carr and Joey Harrington.

But anyway, don't think we're not picking up on your subtle insults at everyone who disagrees with you

"Anyone with half a brain knows that Brady Quinn is Zeus in cleats. If you don't see that you're just a moron"

People are entitled to disagree with you that Quinn is going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. There's no need to keep dropping the "well then you must be stupid" defense.
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Unrelated question for you Wilso:

If you're low expectations for Quinn aren't based on irrational hate, then what exactly are they based on? Care to clue me in? I'm almost scared to ask.

Does this have something to do with Tom Brady winning that super bowl last ye...oh...oh wait, that never happened.
Where did you get that irrational hate thing from in the first place GTripp? I just don't think Quinn will be very good and I will absolutely argue with you saying that all QB's improve when they reach the NFL because they don't, but I don't have the time right now. Oh yeah. Brady is still better than Manning.
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Career completion percentage is a good indicator of NFL success, but not the paramount one. Generally, jsarno, thats how college QB's progress. If they start 4 years, like Quinn, the completion percentage tends to increase steadily from year to year until it reaches the highest possible point for the QB of that particular college team. For Quinn, this happened to be in the 62-64% range.

You can't really just throw out those first two years; they were part of his progression as a player. Take out all other variables for a sec and just look at Quinn's numbers in a vaccuum, and it all makes total sense. Then you can put varibles like coaching back in and be like, "maybe Weis didn't have such a big effect on Quinn after all."
Well, his last two years were off the charts good. You can't count his first 2 years as definitive proof that he won't do well. Some people just don't come into their own until the latter stages of their college career. Quinn, as freshman, was horrible. As a sophomore, he played well. Not outstanding, but well. His Junior and Senior years were atronomically good. Meaning his performance was no fluke. Sometimes it just takes someone, or something to put it all together for you.
The man had 72 total td's vs only 14 int's in his last two years. He has the size and brains to be successful in the NFL.
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:42 PM   #100
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Well...Andre Ware, Danny Wuerffel, some would even say David Carr and Joey Harrington.

But anyway, don't think we're not picking up on your subtle insults at everyone who disagrees with you

"Anyone with half a brain knows that Brady Quinn is Zeus in cleats. If you don't see that you're just a moron"

People are entitled to disagree with you that Quinn is going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. There's no need to keep dropping the "well then you must be stupid" defense.
See, as bad as they Ware and Wuerffel were, they certainly and clearly improved from their rookie seasons.

Andre Ware statistics - pro-football-reference.com
Danny Wuerffel statistics - pro-football-reference.com


And just for good measure, Carr and Harrington with very clear improvement:

Joey Harrington statistics - pro-football-reference.com
David Carr statistics - pro-football-reference.com


No need to get testy towards me Smoot, I'm pretty testy right now as is. Don't worry about me, I can keep myself under control.

I will however, continue to ask people to defend their own opinions if they choose to post them on a discussion board designed for the knowledgeable fans.

And I would never, ever call someone stupid no matter how ignorant their knowledge of football may seem. At the end of the day, we are still only discussing a game...and its importance will pale in comparison to many things I myself am ignorant about.

We're all here because we enjoy being here, and I promise not to ruin it for anyone, so long as they agree to defend their own opinions.
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Where did you get that irrational hate thing from in the first place GTripp? I just don't think Quinn will be very good and I will absolutely argue with you saying that all QB's improve when they reach the NFL because they don't, but I don't have the time right now. Oh yeah. Brady is still better than Manning.
I (probably incorrectly) assumed that you had irrational hate for Quinn. If I was wrong on that, my apologies. However, you've yet again failed to defend your opinions on all accounts here.

You've just disagreed with three fundamental NFL beliefs of mine at once, and provided no evidence for me to chew on whatsoever: That experienced college QBs make the best NFL prospects, that all QBs improve with NFL experience, and that Tom Brady is somehow better than Peyton Manning.

If you ever care to win my respect through argument, you know where to find me...
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No one's getting testy with you Tripp. And if you're already testy then leave the board for a while and come back when you're not.
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Oh yeah. Brady is still better than Manning.
LOL.
HAHAHAHA.
You must be a comedian. Manning might be the best QB that has ever walked. His intelligence is far beyond any QB of today or yesterday.
Brady isn't fit to carry Manning's jock.
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No one's getting testy with you Tripp. And if you're already testy then leave the board for a while and come back when you're not.
I can keep myself under control.
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I can keep myself under control.
Ok then
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