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Old 08-21-2007, 03:47 PM   #16
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I like Cerrato, Hes a good Draft scouter and another thing is i like the picks we got this year but was a QB necessary?.I think if it was like that we should have drafted a Tall WR or something lol.
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:08 PM   #17
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With all the talk last year about Vinny Cerrato being on a short leash, do you think that he finally got off his ass and did some homework. So far it appears as if this is one of the strongest drat classes that I've seen since he's been here. Thatís saying a lot considering the fact that we entered the draft with only one day-one pick. Landry, Blades, Palmer, and even Heyer (along with a couple undrafted rookies; Westbrook and Marcus Mason) all appear to have a future in this league.
Is this a coincidence or could all the speculation be responsible for Vinny's apparent improvement.
why do you think westbrook has a future in this league, because he recovered a fumble or has consistantly been beaten like a drum??
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:13 PM   #18
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Hmm...yes, but you can build depth at different positions. In my opinion, OL is the most important position to build depth - that is the foundation of any team.

The thing that stumps me is that the Redskins throughout the 80s always had a deep line with top-tier starters...
I really don't think our OL is that bad off.

I'm still amazed how we've lost one starter and everyone thinks the sky is falling.
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:16 PM   #19
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I really don't think our OL is that bad off.

I'm still amazed how we've lost one starter and everyone thinks the sky is falling.
I agree , the sky has not fallen . On the other side , we have been horrible the last three years in short yardage , and scoring TD's . With 1 more year in the new Offence , maybe that will change ? If the Inj's to Samuals / Portis and Campbell slow them through the season , I can't see us all of a sudden getting in the endzone . I hope the D gets back to it's 05 form ,,,, we may need them to win a few games for us .
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I really don't think our OL is that bad off.

I'm still amazed how we've lost one starter and everyone thinks the sky is falling.
The sky is definately not falling. The team has had an excellent line the past few years and it will continue to be a very good line for a few years.

But, there is some cause for anxiety, even if it eventually proves to be unfounded. Samuels is suffering from an injury that nagged him for awhile a few years back. The left guard position is shaky at best. Finally, Jansen looks less than stellar. Buges will likely get things together, but I'm keeping my eye on the unit.
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That's life in the NFL, show me one NFL team that has solid depth across the board with no weaknesses. It's nearly impossible to shore up every position each year.

I really think people are really overreacting about the offensive line.
I'll show you two:

New England
San Diego

They are strong and deep, particurlarly on defense where is matters most. Pats 2007 1st round draft pick isn't even going to start this year, but he will play a ton. They are 3 deep in the DL.
The Chargers have former 5th and 6th round picks starting and playing very well on the offensive line. which has been the Redskins major weakness, we do not pick well in The late rounds. At least not until this year. HB Blades looks like a keeper.
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I'll show you two:

New England
San Diego

They are strong and deep, particurlarly on defense where is matters most. Pats 2007 1st round draft pick isn't even going to start this year, but he will play a ton. They are 3 deep in the DL.
The Chargers have former 5th and 6th round picks starting and playing very well on the offensive line. which has been the Redskins major weakness, we do not pick well in The late rounds. At least not until this year. HB Blades looks like a keeper.
The Patriots aren't exactly stacked at RB. Maroney is nice but has durability concerns. Not having Samuel in there at CB is a significant loss for them. Behind Brady they have a former 7th round draft pick and a 95 year old in Testaverde.

San Diego has some question marks at WR with unproven guys like Vincent Jackson and a rookie in Craig Davis. I know it doesn't matter much since LT and Gates will catch a ton, but still, they certainly don't scare anyone with their wideouts. Their safeties are a big question mark too.

Nobody in the league has solid depth at every position.
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I'll show you two:

New England
San Diego

They are strong and deep, particurlarly on defense where is matters most. Pats 2007 1st round draft pick isn't even going to start this year, but he will play a ton. They are 3 deep in the DL.
The Chargers have former 5th and 6th round picks starting and playing very well on the offensive line. which has been the Redskins major weakness, we do not pick well in The late rounds. At least not until this year. HB Blades looks like a keeper.
It's funny how when the Redskins don't start a top draft pick it's "OMG, WTF is wrong with this team?! We're so stupid that we don't even start our draft picks!"

But when the Patriots don't it's "Wow, what geniuses. Drafting a player and letting him develop before throwing him to the wolves"
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That's life in the NFL, show me one NFL team that has solid depth across the board with no weaknesses. It's nearly impossible to shore up every position each year.

I really think people are really overreacting about the offensive line.
I don't get that argument either. "If we had great depth across the board." There's no such thing in the NFL these days.

I concede we should better utilize our draft picks, but you can't have a great backup at every position.

As for people saying we have an undrafted FA in Heyer who is starting....I've got two words for them: Joe Jacoby
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Old 08-22-2007, 03:54 PM   #26
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It's funny how when the Redskins don't start a top draft pick it's "OMG, WTF is wrong with this team?! We're so stupid that we don't even start our draft picks!"

But when the Patriots don't it's "Wow, what geniuses. Drafting a player and letting him develop before throwing him to the wolves"
That's the perception of success working at it's best though. If the Pats do it, it's brilliant. If the Skins bring in a Randy Moss they overpaid and Snyder is desperate.

I tell you what, you look at the Patriots roster and they easily have one of the oldest teams in the NFL right now. I think they'll be competive this year, but not dominant.
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As Matty said, no team has solid depth at every position. Take the NFC, where Philly is regarded as having the best depth. Although JLC recently went on and on about our lack of depth along the O-line and how great Philly's O-line is stacked, they've got holes at numerous other positions. Philly is lacking quality starters and depth at WR, OLB, MLB, DT (Bunkley may be a bust), and safety. In the AFC, the Pats and Chargers both have issues (as Matty noted).

IMO, the Redskins depth issues will disappear if JC has the kind of season we all expect. I have always believed that if a team has a very good QB, a lot of holes magically disappear in the eyes of the press. With us, it will be no different.
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As Matty said, no team has solid depth at every position. Take the NFC, where Philly is regarded as having the best depth. Although JLC recently went on and on about our lack of depth along the O-line and how great Philly's O-line is stacked, they've got holes at numerous other positions. Philly is lacking quality starters and depth at WR, OLB, MLB, DT (Bunkley may be a bust), and safety. In the AFC, the Pats and Chargers both have issues (as Matty noted).

IMO, the Redskins depth issues will disappear if JC has the kind of season we all expect. I have always believed that if a team has a very good QB, a lot of holes magically disappear in the eyes of the press. With us, it will be no different.
IMO if JC is injured than most likely Brunell would play or if not Maybe Gibbs well decide to start collins who to me is another Ramsey at this point.
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:08 PM   #29
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Im curious as to why you think Cerrato is a "good Draft scouter." Please elaborate, cause I think he's shit.
I mean look at the guys we got.

Rocky Mcintosh
Chris Samuels
Jon Jansen
Jason Campbell
LaVar Arrington
Kendric Goldston
Fred Smoot
Sean Taylor
LaRon Landry
Chris Cooley
Mike Sellers
Lemar Marshall
Carlos Rogers(Who is looking to look how hes suppose to.)
Derrick Dockery
Trent Green
Betts
Cartwright
Gardner
Antonio Peirce


Only thing i see what he did wrong was not drafting a DE for the pat 6- years.
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Having hard time keeping sarcasm down (gasp), getting the best of me...(gasp)......

OK, first let's start with the obvious. Vinny wasn't even here fore the Trent Green years. Next lets take the total busts out, that would be Gardner, even though he was taken in the 1st round, and many, many people argue that LaVar was a bust. Next, lets take out players who have done NOTHING to make any sort of list. That would be Golston. While he shows promise, that's all he's shown. Also, in that same breath is Carlos "hands of stone" Rogers, Jason Campbell, and Rocky. These guys might show promise, but that is truly all they have shown us. If you want to evaluate a personnel guy, one of the key elements is how he drafts after the first 3 rounds. First Round picks are SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE TEAM! Next, how has he done in free agency. For every single one of the UFA on your list I can name much much bigger FA busts signed by Vinny and Company.
Can't blame a guy who doesn't choose to trade the draft picks.If he had the chance to keep all the picks than he could have done better i mean look H.B blades is looking very sharp and is supposedly are future MLB.
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